Why? Jjust because it is really the Street Preachers fault?
Maybe DH was angry. Of course he equates SP in front of the Temple as Obnoxius etc blah blah blah. But he WILL not list just what exactly is so OBNOXIOUS about it. anyway SP 's at the Temple have nothing to do with his off color Humor [sic]
It is all about offense not right & wrong. it is only wrong if you can find someone to be offended by it. Right?
It seems DH is saying it is OK to talk about his bedroom if it is done in jest.
Charles Perry Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
A totally arrogant and insensitive reply, in my opinion.
>From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
>Subject: [TruthTalk] DaveH's Reply to the Controversy
>Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 14:52:53 -0800
>
>*And I apologize to all, especially to DaveH for provoking him. *
>
>DAVEH: Thank you for your apology, Izzy.....But, as I'm sure you already
>know.....it is not necessary to apologize to me. (Though the thought and
>consideration is most appreciated.) I had taken absolutely no offense at
>all in what you had posted. And....I suspect that you took no offense at
>what I posted in reply. (If I am wrong about that, let me know and I'll
>offer a sincere apology.)
>
> As for other TTers being offended.....that rather surprises me. As
>Perry correctly surmised, my comments were all done in a humorous
>tone........./While I am sure Dave is joking,/.....that was not intended to
>offend anybody. (I am mystified as to why anybody would take personal
>offense at such humor anyway.) I was merely trying to keep the
>conversation at the same level as those responding, while trying to make a
>point at the same time. That point is that many TTers seem to have a
>double standard. On TT it is OK to publicly discuss and mock personal
>things (whether they be religious ceremonies, religious clothing or even
>sexual practices) of somebody who has a presumed inferior (from the
>majorities perspective) belief or position in life. Some TTers even brag
>about their right to publicly ridicule and demean Mormons' beliefs and
>practices, right at the doorstep of LDS religious gatherings. And what
>further and truly amazes me, some TTers support their obnoxious actions,
>regardless of how offensive they are to other people. Sure....it is legal
>for them to do that, but IF LDS people find their tactics and behavior
>offensive, do those practicing such tactics and behavior ever back off in
>deference to the LDS folks' feelings???
>
> So.....when I publicly post some (what I consider, and I suspect a few
>others will agree to be) entertaining material in TT in reply to questions
>that were I to directly answer would undoubtedly bring ridicule and
>derision, then why would anybody be offended? Did I attack anybody? If
>not, then I did not violate any ad-hom rules?.....none! Were my posts
>distasteful?.....No more than those who asked the questions, IMO and also
>in the opinion of some TTers without an ax to grind. I do not recall using
>any foul language, or obnoxious (shouting) mannerisms. I merely tried to
>respond politely, humorously and in kind to each post that was made about
>the discussion. Yes....I did try to /drag in/---as Perry put it in a
>private post---others to illustrate the absurdity of what was being
>discussed. Until your own ox is being gored, there is little motivation
>for some to get excited! :-)
>
> Yet is is apparent that a couple TTers have fairly thin skins and took
>offense at my comments related to them. If street preachers truly are
>unable to discern humorous content, and have so little latitude for the
>rights of others to use free speech that is not even lewd.....then how do
>they tolerate truly ugly behavior? It simply amazes me that some street
>preachers demand the right to be obnoxious and irritate others without
>regards to offending them, and then feign offense when somebody treats them
>far more respectfully in TT. (And in fairness to the street preachers on
>TT....I realize that not all have complained about what I have posted
>here.....thank you for your tolerance....my comments are not directed
>toward you.)
>
> Soooooo (excepting Izzy)........for those TTers who claimed offense and
>continue to believe........
>
>/*Dave owes an apology to all of us,*/
>
>..........because of what I directly said to or about them.....I view you
>as being big hypocritical *cry-babies*.....a term that was once used in TT
>to describe me, but seems much more applicable to some TTers who *whine*
>all the time about how offensive I am. Buck-up folks. Most of you are
>adults, and if you can't tolerate a Mormon boy's playful and tame comments
>that were made in an effort to diffuse a potentially unpleasant subject,
>you're going to have big time trouble in the real world.
>
> In reviewing all the posts that came in today about this, I fail to see
>anything I said that would have directly or even indirectly attacked or
>offended anybody. If you disagree, feel free to either post on TT your
>reasons for disagreeing, or send them to me off-Forum. If you can show me
>where I /crossed over the line/ as Perry suggested, then I'll offer you a
>sincere apology.
>
> If on the other hand, you can get a laugh (or perhaps even crack a
>smile) out of what has been posted regarding this matter, then I commend
>you for avoiding the arrogant indignation trap. It is not my intention (as
>Judy implied) to bring discord to TT. If anything, I prefer to posture my
>posts to alleviate the tension here. That's why I use lots of smilies to
>help others know when I am joshing around for the sake of levity. For
>those who took offense at what I posted, go back and look at the smilies
>before you dig yourself deeper in a huff. Even Izzy knows how smilies
>work. And, Dean has been known to use them often, but perhaps he overlooks
>them when reading others' comments. As for Perry....do you have a single
>funny bone in that body, Perry!?!?!?! ;-)
>
> In fairness to Perry....I realize that you are the moderator, and as
>such cannot take everything quite a lightly as other TTers, especially when
>the problem pertains to another TTer. However, you did claim a personal
>offense....which I view rather dimly.
>
> Welllllllll........I took a risk in posting the above, as our TT
>moderator has privately cautioned (requested might be a better term) that I
>avoid continued discussion regarding this matter. However, I do believe I
>have a right to respond to the many comments that have been posted today,
>and I also believe there is a lesson to be learned in all this. And that
>lesson is the double standard that some TTers have. They can dish it out
>(as Izzy has been known to say), but they seem to have a problem when it is
>served up for their own consumption. If any of you want to hammer this
>Mormon boy or his beliefs, that is your privilege and right. But then
>don't complain when I fail to turn the other cheek....it is one of my many
>flaws! Nor should you get your noses bent out of shape over a few humorous
>comments.....it is unbecoming of a Christian to be so weak kneed! :-)
>
>
>
>
>ShieldsFamily wrote:
>
>>*And I apologize to all, especially to DaveH for provoking him. * Now move
>>on, Class! iz
>>
>>
>>
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>
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