Judy, elders and bishops are the same thing in Scripture.  The passage that Bill quotes is "bishop" in the KJV.  I thought that was the version of your Bible.
 
You still don't get the situation in Geneva.  John Calvin was brought to Geneva to help them organize a "reformed" church.  Calvin outlined an organization with Doctors, Pastors, Deacons, and Elders.  The powers went only as far as excommunication.  This was the only power that Calvin had, and when he exercised it once to the chagrin of the city council, he himself was banished from Geneva for 3 years, until a new city council had invited him back.  In regards to Servetus, Calvin had NO POWER or AUTHORITY to put him to death, as mandated by his own outline of powers of the church.  His involvement was by exhorting the city council to do something about this man, and then by making the case for how Servetus had blasphemed the name of God.  So your question of, "how would it have been possible for one of these men living in Geneva to reign in John Calvin," has already been answered.  All they had to do was say to Calvin, "no."  That's it.  In fact, Servetus had made the case that Calvin should be the one on trial and he sought to have Calvin put to death and all his belongings given to Servetus.  The council took no action on his exhortation.  What would history have been like if they had accepted Servetus's arguments instead of Calvin's?  Think about it. 
 
I'm off to meeting with the saints now.  God bless.
 
Peace be with you.
David Miller.
 
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Are you reading from the Latin Vulgate Bill?  My Bible calls them "elders" - yes they are to be "examples" to
the flock but Jesus is head of the Church and they are at best undershepherds.  How would it have been
possible for one of these men living in Geneva to reign in John Calvin?
 
On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 05:49:02 -0700 "Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
cd writes: Better read Titus 1:9-13
 
jt writes: Where in scripture does one find a "Bishop-led" Church?

Titus 1.7 For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre; 8 But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate; 9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers. 10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision . . .


                                         judyt                                       
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments
                              is a liar (1 John 2:4)

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