In all sincerity, Judy, don't you see the irony in your endeavor? When you write or speak, you want others to listen to you. You feel entitled to that. The proof of this: when they don't listen, you feel like you have been dissed. Why? because you think you have something important and truthful to say. In this you are no different from anyone else. But what is your message? Don't listen to the words of Barth (or Torrance, or Calvin, or Anthanasius, or Nazianzus, or Newbigin, or, or, or) listen instead to me: I'll tell you what the Word means, for I have the Holy Spirit -- blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. In this you are a theologian extraordinaire. 
 
Perhaps the words of Jesus are in order: "Do unto others as you would have them do to you."
 
Bill 
 
 
The words you speak concerning His ppl?  IYO could Barth smarten them up?
Or should we listen to Paul who writes that we already have the mind of Christ?
 
On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 08:35:22 -0700 "Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
 
It's not God's fault.
 
Not a very loving evaluation of God's workmanship Bill
Lots of men have spent a "lifetime" preaching some agenda or another - only those who 'in obedience' are speaking God's oracles will receive a reward and I don't hold much hope for those who add to or take from THE WRITTEN RECORD.
The book has already been written Bill.   jt
 
PS: Of course he's a theologian...
 
On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 08:01:04 -0700 "Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
 
You know, it just amazes me. One could stand up and preach for a lifetime and maybe, just maybe, be considered a great man of God (although that is even doubtful). But put those words in a book and Oh NO! now he's a theologian. Christians are so stupid.
 
Bill
 
On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 07:36:51 -0700 "Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Judy, let's assume that we could take all the words you've posted to TT and bind them together in a book. What would it number, say, maybe 9000 pages? Would a single one of them be worth reading? What were you attempting to do with those words, if not to unfold the revealed word attested in the Bible? You see, Judy, you still think that everyone is doing theology except you. Okay, please tell me what it is you think you are doing.
 
Fellowshipping with other "believers" on an internet forum; and speaking God's truth with others who seek to walk in it?
 
You will try in vain to get me into an argument over Karl Barth. I just simply won't do it. If you are interested in the man, then read his works or the works of his students; they are manifest and quite approachable. If not then please move on. None of the criticisms you share are new or revelatory. Unless you have been living in a bath tub, you, along with millions of other Christians, have been well-misinformed about this man.  Bill 
 
So you are not prepared to give account for the hope that is in you with regard to Barth Bill?  Everything I have read about him so far has been dialectic and nothing is definitive.  Hardly the kind of atmosphere where faith grows.
 
 
Bill writes: "It will take many years, I'm sure, before Barth will be allowed to speak for himself to the conservative community. In the meantime Evangelical Christians will be missing out on one of the greatest voices the Church has ever known.

I'm curious about what you find so great Bill...  What does Barth say in the more than 9,000 pages of his Dogmatic that we can not learn through the grace and mercy of God from His Own Word?  Was Barth inspired or misguided in his belief that the "task of theology is to unfold the revealed word attested in the Bible" when Jesus' own Words teach us that this is the work of the Holy Spirit in the lives of those who believe and follow Him?

The very size of the Dogmatics.

Mascall said that it takes so much time to read this theologian of the word that no time is left to read the Word itself. His (Barth's) style is majestic, and difficult.

From 1932 to 1967 he (Barth) worked on his Church Dogmatics, a multivolume work that was unfinished at his death. It consists of 13 parts in four volumes, running altogether to more than 9,000 pages. Although he changed some of his early positions, he continued to maintain that the task of theology is to unfold the revealed word attested in the Bible, and that there is no place for natural theology or the influence of non-Christian religions. His theology depended on a distinction between the Word (i.e., God's self-revelation as concretely manifested in Christ) and religion.


                                         judyt                                       
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments
                              is a liar (1 John 2:4)

 

                                         judyt                                       
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments
                              is a liar (1 John 2:4)
 

                                         judyt                                       
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments
                              is a liar (1 John 2:4)
 

                                         judyt                                       
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments
                              is a liar (1 John 2:4)

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