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PLEASE DAVE,
I would appreciate the longer explanation so as not
to confuse those less informed about Mormon/Christian distinctives.
When you speak of 'god', I'd appreciate you
supplying the 'god history'. When you speak of jesus (your jesus), I'd
appreciate you giving us real Mormon teaching. And on....
PLEASE SUPPLY THE REAL DEAL! I'm quite serious on
this, Dave.
thanks,
Lance
----- Original Message -----
Sent: December 06, 2005 02:57
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New
Subject--A&E
will you kindly tell all of us
how you, as a Mormon, understand these events?
DAVEH:
Getting into that will likely just get Perry excited again, Lance!
But....that has not worried me too much in the
past.....
Let me give you the short
explanation. I believe God intended A&E to transgress.
Why? For several reasons. First......to learn the difference
between good and evil. If God did not want A&E to know about evil,
why did he allow Satan to exist in the paradise we know as the Garden of
Eden? The world was not yet in a fallen state, yet Satan seemed to have
free reign....
Second, I believe mortality is an
important step in what LDS folks call eternal progression. Without the
step of mortality, our progression back to heaven is effectively
stopped. We consider it to be damnation.
Third, LDS theology suggests that had A&E not transgressed, they would not
have been able to have had children. Just imagine the situation that
would occur IFF A&E had not transgressed, yet had descendants who would
have transgressed.
We know that Jesus was
foreordained to be our Savior before A&E even existed. (I assume you
agree with that premise.) To me, that is a good indication that God knew
what A&E would do when tempted by Satan. He then set the stage for
that event to happen, so that the plan of salvation could unfold in a manner
that God planned and intended.
We all know
what did happen. It is my belief that God intended it to happen that
way. Yet most Christians seem to think God's plan was interrupted by
A&E's transgression. I see it exactly the opposite....God was not
fooled or impeded in implementing the plan of salvation. It was
carefully laid out and continues to be implemented to this day, just as the
Lord planned it.
Lance Muir wrote:
To DaveH:
I also would like to hear YOU on this.
Utilizing all that you know and, employing terminology that would be
meaningful to any Mormon, will you kindly tell all of us how you, as a
Mormon, understand these events?
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Original Message -----
Sent:
December 05, 2005 07:34
Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject--A&E
You have brought this up in the past on TT DaveH
but it didn't last long because there is no place to go with
it.
By definition all anyone could come up with is
their own speculation. God wasn't caught blindsided. He
knew
and prepared for this "BEFORE the foundation of
the world" so it's too late for "shoulda, coulda, woulda"
now.
Do you mind if I ask why this subject is so
interesting to you??
DAVEH: May I suggest another topic of interest to me? I
am curious as to if any of you folks ever consider what would have
happened IF Adam and Eve had not transgressed. Does that discussion ever come up with you
folks?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Look -- what are we going to discuss
here on TT? We have pretty much said all that can be
said about any number of subjects.
jd
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