Having been moving for the last couple of days, I just got a chance to
sit
down for a rest and browse through TT. I am dismayed as what I see. I
wonder why I have been wasting my time throwing pearls before swine here.
The answer, of course, is that I dearly enjoy reading and sharing posts
with
the kindhearted Believers on TT. But the truth is, in real life I would
never associate with the toxic people I find here. I don't need hateful,
nasty people insulting me or my friends. I have so many delightful
friends
to spend the precious moments of my life with, and so very much to
accomplish. Life is increasingly short, and I am convicted about spending
it
wisely. So dear Lance, jd, and Gary, enjoy insulting me to your heart's
desire while I'm gone. I'm giving up TT for New Year's. I hope the rest
of
you will email me often. Love and Blessings and a closer walk with Jesus
to
every one of you, Izzy
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 2:34 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets
Why not go with 'blowin' smoke' if it makes you feel better, I'm not even
a
Mormon, Perry. Why be such a nuisance? Move on! David is, IMO, & on some
occasions, a pompous ass. Should you find him to be otherwise then, good
for you!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>
Sent: December 30, 2005 15:02
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets
> All I am asking, Lance, is for you to clarify what you consider to be
> speculation in David's post. You often sit back and direct others to
> produce stuff, while producing very little substance yourself, so I
> suspected you would not point out David's speculation. Perhaps you just
> do
> not want to put forth the effort...or perhaps you are blowing smoke.
>
> Perry
>
>
>>From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
>>To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>
>>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets
>>Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:33:40 -0500
>>
>>You may 'rather' all you want to, Perry. Remember, I watched the
>>'extended
>>version' of the conversation between yourself and the 'annointed one'
>>on
>>Scripture. He simply cannot acknowledge wrongheadedness.
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Perry Locke"
>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>
>>Sent: December 30, 2005 14:25
>>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets
>>
>>
>>>I'd rather you did it, Lance, since you are making the claim, and I
>>>would
>>>like to see it as YOU see it. Only you can show me that.
>>>
>>>>From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
>>>>To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>
>>>>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets
>>>>Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:36:30 -0500
>>>>
>>>>I'd rather David did it, Perry. He knows which is which. One wearies
>>>>of
>>>>his pompous treatment of his 'subjects' on TT.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Perry Locke"
>>>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>
>>>>Sent: December 30, 2005 13:23
>>>>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Lance, you may be right, but please separate the biblical from the
>>>>>speculation in David's post so the rest of us can see it as you do.
>>>>>
>>>>>Perry
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>>Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
>>>>>>To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets
>>>>>>Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:46:44 -0500
>>>>>>
>>>>>>IMO you speak more often with presumption than with authority. Much
>>>>>>of
>>>>>>that which you've said below is biblical but, some of it is
>>>>>>speculation and, I believe that you know which is which.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Giftedness and maturity, sadly, do not go hand in hand.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "David Miller"
>>>>>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>>To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>
>>>>>>Sent: December 30, 2005 12:18
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>John wrote:
>>>>>>>>I do believe that the apostles had a measure
>>>>>>>>of the Spirit that was in addition that of the
>>>>>>>>gifts of the Spirit
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The apostolic office is characgterized by special signs and
>>>>>>>wonders,
>>>>>>>yes,
>>>>>>>but this should not be characterized as you have done here. Read
>>>>>>>1
>>>>>>>Cor. 12
>>>>>>>for the proper perspective of apostles to the rest of the body of
>>>>>>>Christ.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>John wrote:
>>>>>>>>... the 7 deacons could not do anything of a
>>>>>>>>miracluous nature before the apostles layed
>>>>>>>>hands on them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Mere speculation on your part, which flies in the face of church
>>>>>>>tradition
>>>>>>>and historical writings. Furthermore, the Scriptures themselves
>>>>>>>suggest
>>>>>>>otherwise when they describe these men already as men of faith,
>>>>>>>filled with
>>>>>>>the Holy Ghost.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>John wrote:
>>>>>>>>Miracles do continue in the church to this day
>>>>>>>>but to the exclusion of "faith healings."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>An effeminate remark which even the female founder of your church
>>>>>>>has
>>>>>>>disagreed with.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>John wrote:
>>>>>>>>There is no more impa rtation of scripture.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Speculation and presumption, which might be right, but it has no
>>>>>>>basis of
>>>>>>>authority.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>John wrote:
>>>>>>>>In the Pentecostal tradition, I have seen many who
>>>>>>>>claim to be "apostles." Not a single one can raise
>>>>>>>>the dead, heal by casting a shadow, walk through
>>>>>>>>unopened doors and the like. I do not think these
>>>>>>>>men to be evil -- simply confused.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Surely there are false apostles today just as there were in New
>>>>>>>Testament
>>>>>>>times. Why does Jesus praise the Ephesian church for testing
>>>>>>>false
>>>>>>>apostles
>>>>>>>if John was the last one? Why would there be any testing at this
>>>>>>>time if
>>>>>>>John was to be the last apostle?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I have known personally two men who have been raised from the
>>>>>>>dead.
>>>>>>>I have
>>>>>>>met apostles who have reported to me experiences of raising the
>>>>>>>dead,
>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>people being healed as they walked by, and who have had cloths
>>>>>>>taken
>>>>>>>to the
>>>>>>>sick and seen them healed. Just because you have met false
>>>>>>>apostles
>>>>>>>does
>>>>>>>not mean they are all false apostles. I have met false apostles
>>>>>>>too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>When Jesus ascended on high, he gave gifts unto men, namely,
>>>>>>>apostles,
>>>>>>>prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers. The reason they were
>>>>>>>given was
>>>>>>>for the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry,
>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>for the
>>>>>>>edifying of the body of Christ. This was to be until we all come
>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a
>>>>>>>perfect
>>>>>>>man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ.
>>>>>>>Now
>>>>>>>when
>>>>>>>someone starts stripping away these gifts, claiming that the
>>>>>>>apostles
>>>>>>>are no
>>>>>>>longer in the body of Christ, or that the modern prophet is now
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>theologian, or other such fantasies, it only serves to change the
>>>>>>>body of
>>>>>>>Christ into something else, more akin to a Christian social club.
>>>>>>>Why is it
>>>>>>>that people are so accepting of teachers and pastors, but they do
>>>>>>>everything
>>>>>>>they can to discredit and remove from the body of Christ the
>>>>>>>apostles
>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>prophets? I say that until we are brought into unity of faith and
>>>>>>>knowledge, unto a perfect man and the fullness of Christ, we need
>>>>>>>them all.
>>>>>>>If we have not arrived at such, part of the reason is that we
>>>>>>>reject
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>present day ministry of apostles and prophets, so the local church
>>>>>>>has no
>>>>>>>solid foundation in Christ.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Ephesians 4:8-16
>>>>>>>(8) Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led
>>>>>>>captivity
>>>>>>>captive, and gave gifts unto men.
>>>>>>>(9) (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended
>>>>>>>first into
>>>>>>>the lower parts of the earth?
>>>>>>>(10) He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above
>>>>>>>all
>>>>>>>heavens, that he might fill all things.)
>>>>>>>(11) And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some,
>>>>>>>evangelists;
>>>>>>>and some, pastors and teachers;
>>>>>>>(12) For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the
>>>>>>>ministry,
>>>>>>>for the
>>>>>>>edifying of the body of Christ:
>>>>>>>(13) Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the
>>>>>>>knowledge
>>>>>>>of the
>>>>>>>Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>fulness of Christ:
>>>>>>>(14) That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro,
>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>carried
>>>>>>>about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and
>>>>>>>cunning
>>>>>>>craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
>>>>>>>(15) But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all
>>>>>>>things,
>>>>>>>which is the head, even Christ:
>>>>>>>(16) From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted
>>>>>>>by
>>>>>>>that
>>>>>>>which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the
>>>>>>>edifying
>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>itself in love.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Ephesians 2:19-22
>>>>>>>(19) Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but
>>>>>>>fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
>>>>>>>(20) And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and
>>>>>>>prophets,
>>>>>>>Jesus
>>>>>>>Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
>>>>>>>(21) In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto
>>>>>>>an
>>>>>>>holy
>>>>>>>temple in the Lord:
>>>>>>>(22) In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God
>>>>>>>through
>>>>>>>the Spirit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Peace be with you.
>>>>>>>David Miller.
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>you
>>>>>>>may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)
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