No backpedaling, David: turning from sin is subsidiary to genuine repentance. I will explain further later. In the meantime why don't you read Peter's sermon in Acts 2, asking yourself what prompted his hearers' question: "What shall we do?" (v37)
----- Original Message ----- From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 6:04 AM Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] What is the gospel? > Lance wrote: > > DM should, IMO, acknowledge, clarify, and > > expound that difference then, just move on. > > Lance, I try not to make assumptions about what other people believe. Let > Bill clarify his position first if you don't mind. I don't know whether or > not Bill excludes the concept of sin from repentance. If he does, you will > be hearing me expound upon our differences. You forget that you and Bill > are better read and trained in theological matters. I am ignorant in this > area. What seems clear to you is not clear to me. I didn't even notice > that there might be a difference in our understanding of the word repentance > until subsequent reads of his post prompted by your post claiming that Bill > did not answer in the affirmative that repentance is part of the gospel. > I'm expecting to see some back pedalling by Bill perhaps prompted from > private posts by you, or to see Bill clarify his viewpoint on the place of > the call to repentance in the preaching of the gospel. > > If Bill does have an esoteric definition of repentance, then his perspective > that most people have no idea what it means to repent takes on many other > considerations. Is salvation found in turning away from sin and turing to > the person of Jesus Christ, or is it found by changing one's philosophy > about the Godhead, from Judaic monotheism to understanding the Trinity! I'm > truly still shell shocked that this is where we are at in our discussion. I > am hoping that the answer is not what I think it is. Perhaps Judy has been > right all along in her appraisal of you boys and I am the one who has been > thinking too optimistically about your salvation and ontological status in > Jesus Christ. > > David Miller. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lance Muir > To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 6:56 AM > Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] What is the gospel? > > > EVERYONE on TT, Judy, believes their observations to be 'rooted and > grounded' in Scripture. Each believes, where they are in their journey just > now, to have reflected that which the Lord Himself would have them say. I > BELIEVE THIS OF YOU. I BELIEVE THIS OF DM. ETC. However, when one encounters > duplicity, faulty argumentation, a careless 'reading' of another's > 'mail'..then, a corrective must be offered. Also JT, you and DM, rather > strangely I would suggest, regularly demean any who acknowledge the > contribution of another believer in print. It's almost like suggesting that > all sufficiency is to be found in 'God, The Book, and You'. Accessing any > other source whatsoever is cause for criticism. > > Now, as to the matter of 'repentance' (please correct me Bill if I'm > misrepresenting you on this) DM and Bill have differing understandings. DM > should, IMO, acknowledge, clarify, and expound that difference then, just > move on. I'm with Bill on this one. God is with Bill on this one, IMO, of > course. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Judy Taylor > To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > Sent: January 13, 2006 06:29 > Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] What is the gospel? > > > How interesting - Debbie Sawzak is of a Calvinistic bent; because after all > it is his doctrine that claims one > must be regenerated before it is possible to repent because of "total > depravity" and this comes out of a > misunderstanding of the spiritual realities involved. > > On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 06:21:05 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > writes: > From: Debbie Sawczak > Is repentance part of the Gospel? Yes, the NT is replete with directives to > repent. But repentance is not a means by which or through which people are > saved. It is Jesus Christ who is our Savior. Salvation is in him, complete > with mediation on our behalf. Repentance is therefore our response to the > greatest news the world has ever heard; it is our response to the good news > of Jesus Christ. Amen. > > Lance, I now see what you meant today about the exchange bw Bill and David, > having read the full message from Bill. The above is the crux, isn't it? It > (esp the part I bolded) reminds me of what Victor said numerous times in his > Human Person course: I know Christ first of all, before anything else, as my > Saviour. The accountability, the repentance, arise out of that. > > D > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.17/226 - Release Date: 1/10/2006 > > ---------- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. 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