Lance wrote:
DM should, IMO, acknowledge, clarify, and
expound that difference then, just move on.
Lance, I try not to make assumptions about what other people believe. Let
Bill clarify his position first if you don't mind. I don't know whether
or
not Bill excludes the concept of sin from repentance. If he does, you
will
be hearing me expound upon our differences. You forget that you and Bill
are better read and trained in theological matters. I am ignorant in this
area. What seems clear to you is not clear to me. I didn't even notice
that there might be a difference in our understanding of the word
repentance
until subsequent reads of his post prompted by your post claiming that
Bill
did not answer in the affirmative that repentance is part of the gospel.
I'm expecting to see some back pedalling by Bill perhaps prompted from
private posts by you, or to see Bill clarify his viewpoint on the place of
the call to repentance in the preaching of the gospel.
If Bill does have an esoteric definition of repentance, then his
perspective
that most people have no idea what it means to repent takes on many other
considerations. Is salvation found in turning away from sin and turing to
the person of Jesus Christ, or is it found by changing one's philosophy
about the Godhead, from Judaic monotheism to understanding the Trinity!
I'm
truly still shell shocked that this is where we are at in our discussion.
I
am hoping that the answer is not what I think it is. Perhaps Judy has
been
right all along in her appraisal of you boys and I am the one who has been
thinking too optimistically about your salvation and ontological status in
Jesus Christ.
David Miller.
----- Original Message -----
From: Lance Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 6:56 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] What is the gospel?
EVERYONE on TT, Judy, believes their observations to be 'rooted and
grounded' in Scripture. Each believes, where they are in their journey
just
now, to have reflected that which the Lord Himself would have them say. I
BELIEVE THIS OF YOU. I BELIEVE THIS OF DM. ETC. However, when one
encounters
duplicity, faulty argumentation, a careless 'reading' of another's
'mail'..then, a corrective must be offered. Also JT, you and DM, rather
strangely I would suggest, regularly demean any who acknowledge the
contribution of another believer in print. It's almost like suggesting
that
all sufficiency is to be found in 'God, The Book, and You'. Accessing any
other source whatsoever is cause for criticism.
Now, as to the matter of 'repentance' (please correct me Bill if I'm
misrepresenting you on this) DM and Bill have differing understandings. DM
should, IMO, acknowledge, clarify, and expound that difference then, just
move on. I'm with Bill on this one. God is with Bill on this one, IMO, of
course.
----- Original Message -----
From: Judy Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 13, 2006 06:29
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] What is the gospel?
How interesting - Debbie Sawzak is of a Calvinistic bent; because after
all
it is his doctrine that claims one
must be regenerated before it is possible to repent because of "total
depravity" and this comes out of a
misunderstanding of the spiritual realities involved.
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 06:21:05 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
From: Debbie Sawczak
Is repentance part of the Gospel? Yes, the NT is replete with directives
to
repent. But repentance is not a means by which or through which people are
saved. It is Jesus Christ who is our Savior. Salvation is in him, complete
with mediation on our behalf. Repentance is therefore our response to the
greatest news the world has ever heard; it is our response to the good
news
of Jesus Christ. Amen.
Lance, I now see what you meant today about the exchange bw Bill and
David,
having read the full message from Bill. The above is the crux, isn't it?
It
(esp the part I bolded) reminds me of what Victor said numerous times in
his
Human Person course: I know Christ first of all, before anything else, as
my
Saviour. The accountability, the repentance, arise out of that.
D
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