JD wrote: > Yes -- and who said that "repentance > from dead works" is speaking of sin, anyway?
I did. JD wrote: > There is no reason to think that the Hebrews writer has > something else in mind when he speaks of repentance > from the failing effort of self justification. The "failing effort of self justification" is sin. Are you going to argue that such works are righteous? I don't think so. If the works that are being repented of are unrighteous, then they are sinful works. The point is that Heb. 6:1 speaks about repenting from WORKS, not repenting of theology, ideology, or a false understanding of the Godhead. As I said in a previous point, I agree about repentance concerning one's attitude toward Jesus Christ or failing to recognize who he is. That too is sin! I preach this all the time. I often rebuke Muslims on this very issue, calling them to repent on this issue. What I disagree with is the EXCLUSION of the concept of repenting from the kinds of sins that are known as deeds or works. To try and separate these from each other is like being satisified that a murderer has repented, not because he has changed his mind and heart about murder, nor because he has experienced contrition for his many murders, but because he has changed his philosophy about the rightful power and authority of government. It is amazing to me that we are arguing about this. The Bible is filled with examples of repentance from sin (repentance from deeds), as illustrated in the many passages I shared that have been stripped away from replies and ignored. You ignore the rest of the Bible at your own peril. David Miller. ----- Original Message ----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 12:17 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: [TruthTalk] What is the gospel? Yes -- and who said that "repentance from dead works" is speaking of sin, anyway? "Dead works" is that body of works that convinces someone that she is accpted by God RATHER THAN PLACING HER FAITH IN THE CHRIST and allowing Him and Him alone to be glorified in this [saving] function. Bill's comment is brilliant, I think, and as it is attached to Acts 2 -- the best possible understanding of what happened on that First Day. There is no reason to think that the Hebrews writer has something else in mind when he speaks of repentance from the failing effort of self justification. jd -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ----- Original Message ----- From: Debbie Sawczak To: 'Lance Muir' Sent: January 14, 2006 10:32 Subject: RE: Fw: [TruthTalk] What is the gospel? Dead works is not the same as immorality, which is what I think David means by sin. IMO, that [his equating sin with immorality] is where this false and hence problematic distinction arises between repentance from 'sin' and repentance from a failure to recognize who Christ is. yD From: Lance Muir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 10:01 AM To: Debbie Sawczak Subject: Fw: Fw: [TruthTalk] What is the gospel? ----- Original Message ----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 14, 2006 09:38 Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] What is the gospel? Re: repentance: basically, your admitting that Bill's understanding of the Acts passage he posted is correct--i'd agree that's bible teaching however, the point you are trying to make about it, represented below, is a scripture dog that don't hunt--as usual, it is your own private notion universalized, shot through with geekness but rooted plainly (through contrast) in personalized philosophy, over which you sprinkle some home-brew holy water labeled 'Heb 6:1' the issue historically is that you don't study and think much about (e.g.) Heb 6:1 while continually presupposing that it matches your philosophical bias, bec to you it sounds always like it does in the end, it simply ain't bible teaching, Bro On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 23:46:06 -0500 "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: || > Surely you know better than to hang the entire gospel on one's > interpretation of one sermon. || > Heb. 6:1 says that an elementary principle of the doctrine of Christ > is repentance from dead works. This clearly links repentance and sin. || -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.17/229 - Release Date: 1/13/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.17/229 - Release Date: 1/13/2006 ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
