It does to the merciful and caring heart ......
Yes it does.
On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 21:37:39 +0000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I am hoping that the answer is not what I think it is. Perhaps Judy has been
right all along in her appraisal of you boys and I am the one who has been
thinking too optimistically about your salvation and ontological status in
Jesus Christ. DMIs this supposed to matter?
From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Lance wrote:
> > DM should, IMO, acknowledge, clarify, and
> > expound that difference then, just move on.
>
> Lance, I try not to make assumptions about what other people believe. Let
> Bill clarify his position first if you don't mind. I don't know whether or
> not Bill excludes the concept of sin from repentance. If he does, you will
> be hearing me expound upon our differences. You forget that you and Bill
> are better read and trained in theological matters. I am ignorant in this
> area. What seems clear to you is not clear to me. I didn't even notice
> that there might be a difference in our understanding of the word repentance
> until subsequent reads of his post prompted by your post claiming that Bill
> did not answer in the affirmative t hat repentance is part of the gospel.
> I'm expecting to see some back pedalling by Bill perhaps prompted from
> private posts by you, or to see Bill clarify his viewpoint on the place of
> the call to repentance in the preaching of the gospel.
>
> If Bill does have an esoteric definition of repentance, then his perspective
> that most people have no idea what it means to repent takes on many other
> considerations. Is salvation found in turning away from sin and turing to
> the person of Jesus Christ, or is it found by changing one's philosophy
> about the Godhead, from Judaic monotheism to understanding the Trinity! I'm
> truly still shell shocked that this is where we are at in our discussion. I
> am hoping that the answer is not what I think it is. Perhaps Judy has been
> right all along in her appraisal of you boys and I am the one who has been
> thinking too optimistically about your salvation and ontological status in
> Jesus Ch rist.
>
> David Miller.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Lance Muir
> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 6:56 AM
> Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] What is the gospel?
>
>
> EVERYONE on TT, Judy, believes their observations to be 'rooted and
> grounded' in Scripture. Each believes, where they are in their journey just
> now, to have reflected that which the Lord Himself would have them say. I
> BELIEVE THIS OF YOU. I BELIEVE THIS OF DM. ETC. However, when one encounters
> duplicity, faulty argumentation, a careless 'reading' of another's
> 'mail'..then, a corrective must be offered. Also JT, you and DM, rather
> strangely I would suggest, regularly demean any who acknowledge the
> contribution of another believer in print. It's almost like suggesting that
> all sufficiency is to be found in 'God, The Book, and You'. Accessing any
> other source whatsoe ver is cause for criticism.
>
> Now, as to the matter of 'repentance' (please correct me Bill if I'm
> misrepresenting you on this) DM and Bill have differing understandings. DM
> should, IMO, acknowledge, clarify, and expound that difference then, just
> move on. I'm with Bill on this one. God is with Bill on this one, IMO, of
> course.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Judy Taylor
> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
> Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
> Sent: January 13, 2006 06:29
> Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] What is the gospel?
>
>
> How interesting - Debbie Sawzak is of a Calvinistic bent; because after all
> it is his doctrine that claims one
> must be regenerated before it is possible to repent because of "total
> depravity" and this comes out of a
> misunderstanding of the spiritual realities involved.
>
> On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 06:21:05 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> writes:
> From: Debbie Sawczak
> Is repentance part of the Gospel? Yes, the NT is replete with directives to
> repent. But repentance is not a means by which or through which people are
> saved. It is Jesus Christ who is our Savior. Salvation is in him, complete
> with mediation on our behalf. Repentance is therefore our response to the
> greatest news the world has ever heard; it is our response to the good news
> of Jesus Christ. Amen.
>
> Lance, I now see what you meant today about the exchange bw Bill and David,
> having read the full message from Bill. The above is the crux, isn't it? It
> (esp the part I bolded) reminds me of what Victor said numerous times in his
> Human Person course: I know Christ first of all, before anything else, as my
> Saviour. The accountability, the repentance, arise out of that.
>
> D
>
>
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