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I know that you say that you do not believe that one must be right to be
saved, but you do not realize that I do not believe one is saved by embracing
the right philosophy. One is saved by faith in Jesus Christ, which results
in righteousness being imparted to the believer apart from works. The
fruit of that faith is good works being wrought in the life of the
believer. This is my paradigm.
David Miller.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 9:03
PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Differences
As to your last question -- you know that I do not
believe that one must be right right to be saved. I fear
that the answer to your question is what you believe.
The gospel you express on this site is the produce of a very different
paradigm than mine. Not that I am right - but simply
that we are most different.
jd
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From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
John wrote:
> > If you sin and do not repent, for whatever
> > reason, will that single sin place you in hell.
>
> Not true, John. I cannot believe that you would argue such a point.
>
> John wrote:
> > You speak of rebuking and hell
muhc more
> > ofter than I, of course.
>
> That's
because Jesus spoke of rebuking and hell much more often than you do.
>
> John wrote:
> > Surely we would not check the
same boxes
> > on whatever test !! LOL
>
> IMO, you
overestimate our differences. If our differences are as severe as
>
you make them out to be, then it would impossible for us both to be saved.
> Is that what you believe?
>
> David Miller
>
>
> ----- Original Mes sage -----
> From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ;
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 4:32
PM
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Differences
>
> See below
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
>
From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> John wrote:
> Lance asked about the difference between the Christ of DM and JT
and some
> others on this forum. There is so much confusion that one
scarsely knows
> where to begin. Perhaps the best way to say it is
this: they believe in a
> Christ of Law and grace and others believe
in a Christ of Spirit and grace.
> The former insists that obedience
is the path to God, ala the Old Law --
> and the others believe that
obedience is a response to the Indwelling -
> an indwelling that
cannot possibly miss His mark because He has become a
> part of the
ontology of the saint.
>
> John, the only confu sion on this
is in your mind. No matter how many times
> I tell you what I
believe, you prefer to believe falsely about me. You are
> not even
close to characterizing how I believe. Just because I do not
>
believe that the law has been done away, as per the teaching of Jesus, but
> rather that it is the covenant of law that has been made obsolete
by the
> sacrifice of Christ, does not mean that I believe that
obedience is the path
> to God ala the Old Law. I'm not aware of
anyone on TruthTalk right now who
> thinks that way. Slade did, who
you got along with just fine because of his
> hippy era liberal bent,
but he is not here anymore. If you gave me a
> multiple choice test,
I would check the same box you would, that obedience
> is a response
to the Indwelling. I also would check the box for a Christ of
>
Spirit and grace. Your antinomian bias has confused you concerning what I
> believe.
>
>
> If you sin and do not repent,
for whatever reason, will that single sin
> place you in hell. You
speak of rebuking and hell muhc more ofter than I,
> of course.
Surely we would not check the same boxes on whatever test !!
> LOL
>
>
> I do have to ask you, however, that when you say,
"an indwelling that cannot
> possibly miss the mark because He has
become a part of the ontology of the
> saint," are you claiming an
ontological infallibility for yourself simply
> because you are a
Christian?
>
>
> I am acknowledging God's guarantee to
complete the task He has initiated
> within me. If He has become a
part of who I am, ontologically, then how
> can I be lost apart from
an outright rebellion to his presense? With that
> in mind, I will
answer your question in a single word, "Yes."
>
>
>
>
>
> David Miller.
>
> ----- Original
Message -----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] .org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
> Sent:
Thursday, January 12, 2006 11:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Differences
>
>
>
> I am sure I agree --- but I
do not dismiss the relational impact (whether
> positive or negative)
of those on this site.
>
> When I came to this forum, I was a
supporter of David M, typically
> conservative (for lack of a better
term) and an oft defender of Judy Taylor.
>
> And what have I
learned? That few on this site have a clue as to the
> meaning of
"liberal." ........................ that some on this site
> place
concepts (their concepts which they confuse with divine concpet) as
>
more important than continuing relationships.
>
> Lance asked
about the difference between the Christ of DM and JT and some
>
others on this forum. There is so much confusion that one scarsely knows
> where to begin. Perhaps the best way to say it is this: they
believe in a
> Christ of Law and grace and others believe in a Christ
of Spirit and grace.
> The former insists that obedience is the path
to God, ala the Old Law --
> and the others believe that obedience is
a response to the Indwelling -
> an indwelling that cannot possibly
miss His mark because He has become a
> part of the ontology of the
saint.
>
> That is how I see the difference.
> jd
>
>
>
> -------------- Original message
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> From: "Dean Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
> Sent:
1/11/2006 7:59:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism &
Freemasonry
>
>
> How Kevin treats someone who is
willing to listen to him for an extended
> period of time has little
to do with the way he treats those on this forum
> with whom he
disagrees.
> > jd
> cd: What I am trying to say is
that there is more to Kevin than what you
> have seen.
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "Dean
Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Taylor
> To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
> Sent: 1/10/2006 1:02:01 AM
>
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism & Freemasonry
>
>
> I have had several encounters with SPs over the years, Dean. And I
have
> observed Kevin's approach to ministry here on TT, not to
mention others who
> have drifted in and out over the last couple of
years. And so, I will be the
> first to admit to a limited
experience. Yes, I hung around and listened on
> more than one
occasion, as I was curious to see the kinds of reactions their
>
preaching provoked. And no, it didn't seem to me that they ever really got
> to the Gospel. "Christ," it seemed, was b ut a segue to the soul of
their
> message: "Repent, or be damn!"
>
> Having said
that, I am opened to having misjudged Street Preachers as a
> whole,
by the few I have encountered. That is why I am open to meeting you
>
in N.O.
>
> Bill
> cd: I would like to add in Kevin"s
defense-that this forum is limited in
> it's expressive forms-One
cannot truly learn another on this site- Kevin has
> a big heart for
the lost and I have seen him stand and discuss truth for
> hours with
one individual-Great patience and love shown by Kevin but not
> seen
on this site.
>
> ----------
> "Let your speech be
always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how
> you
ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org
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