None of her concern? We were talking about her, and about my ability to read her. A wise man receives correction, but a fool becomes scornful.
David Miller. ----- Original Message ----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 11:03 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] The mystery of Judy's gospel IThis is none of your concern, Judy. Go correct one of your kids or something. jd -------------- Original message -------------- From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 02:08:41 +0000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I respectfully disagree. jd About what JD? He is right on. I do believe that unregenerated men can decide to stop doing something they are told is wrong otherwise civil government would be pointless and we would be living in total anarchy. From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > FWIW, from my perspective, Judy believes none of these things. In fact, > she > seems to believe that unregenerated man can choose to believe in Jesus > Christ. I have a different perspective that I would share with her if > there > were not so many other posts flying that take my time to read.. I believe > that it takes a work of the Holy Spirit to draw men and cause them to > believe. I tend to agree with the perspective that man is regenerated at > the > point just before believing because Jesus said that unless one is born > again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. How can an unregenerated man > believe in that which he cannot see? > > In any case, I'm sure Judy believes that unregenerated men can decide to > stop doing something that they have been told is wrong . Unregenerated man > also can decide to do something good, like give money to the poor, etc. I > do not think Judy would say that Christ stopped being God. This is a straw > man argument. Why don't you let her speak for herself rather than trying > to > speak for her? > > David Miller. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 8:45 PM > Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] The mystery of Judy's gospel > > > 1. You believe that unregenerated man cannot do what is right. You have > stated that many times in the past. I was just hoping that you good > explain how that can be true with the example of Nineveh hanging over this > theological conclusion. > > 2. Secondly, you believe that Christ stopped being God in spite of the oft > quoted (by you) passage "God is the same yesterday, t oday, and forever." > I was hoping fo r an explanation of this, as well. > > Ask me a question, Judy, about my beliefs and I will be glad to answer it > emphatically , not fearing being "set up." I do not mind being responsible > for what I consider to be true. Could you please do the same? I doubt > anyone on this forum can tell the rest of us what you believe. Seriously > > jd > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: Judy Taylor > > God is the Creator of the ppl in Nineveh also and He is merciful and > longsuffering enough > to want to give them one more chance which they took for a measure of time > even though they > regressed later and were eventually destroyed. Their response to Jonah's > warning bought > them some time but unfortunately they did not gain eternity. > > On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 23:24:19 +0000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > And what does that have to do with the people of Nineveh? They don't have > to have the > Spirit to do right as long as the preacher has the Spirit? > > jd > > From: Judy Taylor > > Yes ... and Jonah was called by God and anointed to speak by the Spirit of > God.. > > On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 23:15:38 +0000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > But aren't you the one who preaches that one cannot do the works of God > without the Spirit of God? > jd > > From: Judy Taylor > > Death reigned from Adam to Moses and it reigned over Nineveh in Jonah's > day.. So obviously > the wages of sin is death with or without a written Law. Jonah called on > these people to repent > and they did do that in sackcloth and ashes... even without theological > permission. > > > On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 21:36:00 +0000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ast.net writes: > well, Nineveh was not under the Law. Jonah does not call them to the Law. > And it is the Law that defines sin to be sin. Can sin exist apart from > the law? > Paul says it does. Jonah is certainly not calling them to live their lives > as the > Jews lived theirs !! jd > > On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 06:56:35 -0500 "Lance Muir" > writes: > I'm with Bill on this one. God is with Bill on this one, IMO, of course. > > I'm not surprised since you and Bill are so into culture and all that - > but > don't bring God into your folly. > The pagan Persian City of Nineveh repented at the preaching of Jonah (Luke > 11:32) And what do you > suppose his message to them was? > From: Judy Taylor > > How interesting - Debbie Sawzak is of a Calvinistic bent; because after > all > it is his doctrine that claims one must be regenerated before it is > possible > to repent because o f "total depravity" and this comes out of a > misunderstanding of the spiritual realities involved. > > On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 06:21:05 -0500 "Lance Muir" > writes: > From: Debbie Sawczak > Is repentance part of the Gospel? Yes, the NT is replete with directives > to > repent. But repentance is not a means by which or through which people are > saved. It is Jesus Christ who is our Savior. Salvation is in him, complete > with mediation on our behalf. Repentance is therefore our response to the > greatest news the world has ever heard; it is our response to the good > news > of Jesus Christ. Amen. > > Lance, I now see what you meant today about the exchange bw Bill and > David, > having read the full message from Bill. The above is the crux, isn't it? > It > (esp the part I bolded) reminds me of what Victor said numerous times in > his > Human Person course: I know Christ first of all, before anything else, as > my > Saviour. 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