Lance, I do not find myself "clever" in asking this question. I believe it is pertinent, especially when he dismissed Scripture as a foundation for doctrine just because it is apocalyptic! I believe that the Temple Menorah is a shadow concerning the nature of God's Spirit. The Greek language is very well suited toward inventing a word for "Trinity" and I believe there is good reason why it never did. I think the closest the Greek comes to addressing it is three words not one, "treis prospoponoi homoousius." As you know, the word "Trinity" comes from the Latin "trinitas" used by Tertullian. So it is an important question why Providence saw fit not to insert such into our Scriptures. The Hindus have the Sanskrit word for Trinity in their Scriptures but the Jews and Christians do not utilize such a word in any translation of Scripture that I am aware of. If you know otherwise, please tell.
Without getting into a long analysis, let me just say that if the Scriptures did have the word Trinity in the text as John suggests is appropriate, it would definitely cause a shift in my thinking about God. I am very concerned about those who think it appropriate to translate the Bible in such a paraphrastic way. It is certainly appropriate for a person to express their viewpoint of God using the word Trinity and the concepts associated therewith, but for a person to claim that it properly translates the Scriptures is to claim that the word is an infallible word, divinely inspired, and should be embraced by everyone everywhere. I don't believe that is appropriate. David Miller ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 5:36 AM Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Lance and "biblical language" Benny Hinn, another 'inspired' teacher/evangelist, once said that each of the Father, Son and Spirit was a trinity and thus, nine Gods. He also finds himself clever in the questions he puts forward to his hearers. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org> Sent: January 15, 2006 23:10 Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Lance and "biblical language" > The problem with the word "Trinity" is that it assume Three. What do you > do > with texts that speak about the Seven Spirits of God? > > David Miller. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 9:57 PM > Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Lance and "biblical language" > > > I do not agree. "Trinity" is as much a translation of the concept of > "divine essence" as is "godhead" but for theological and contextual > reasons. Call it philosophy if you will. The inclusion of "trinity" is a > sound choice if it , in fact, arises from a point of truth. Equivalency > is a word that figures into my discussion. I am sure you understand the > implication. > > jd > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> The word "Trinity" is not a translation, nor is it a transliteration. It >> is >> a word of philosophers, a word constructed by theologians, and it is a >> philosophically loaded word. The various words of the Greek language that >> have been translated "Godhead" have at their root the word "theos," and >> therefore, "Godhead" is an appropriate translation whereas "Trinity" is >> not. >> The root for "three" is not found in the Greek language for this word. >> >> David Miller >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org >> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 4:08 PM >> Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Lance and "biblical language" >> >> >> Your response has nothing to do with my comments, near as I can see. >> My point is this: every English word in our bible is "added " to the >> original text. so you like godhead" and I like "trinity." They are both >> translations of the orgiinal word and/or thought. >> >> jd >> >> -------------- Original message -------------- >> From: Judy Taylor >> >> Here we go again - And who is the one who denied staking everything on >> translational and Gk >> arguments - very, very, recently?. judyt >> >> On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 14:54:47 +0000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >> >> Here is an approximation of the [NT] biblical language" >> >> gar nomoz tou pneumatoz thz swhzev Cristy >> >> All other words [in [English] translation] are "non-biblical." >> "Incarnate" is no less a "biblical word" than "in the flesh" -- nor >> "trinity " in the place of "Godhead." >> >> Our translations are copies of the original tex t (as best as we can >> reconstruct that text) . The Latin Vulgate has the same place in biblical >> history in terms of type and quality as does the more literal of the >> English >> translations. >> >> To argue without end over "Godhead" verses "Trinity" is argue about >> nothing. I have just as much authority to read "trinity" as someone has >> to read "godhead" or "divine nature." >> >> jd >> >> >> >> >> -------------- Original message -------------- >> From: "Lance Muir" >> >> On employing 'non-biblical' terminology when speaking of WHO Jesus is: >> Insofar as the language one chooses accurately reflects the subject under >> discussion it may be viewed as legitimate, helpful and, even necessary. >> >> May I ask that anyone responding to the above take the time to outline >> their >> own position on this. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Judy Taylor >> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org >> Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org >> Sent: January 14, 2006 08:53 >> Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS >> NOT >> DIVINE >> >> >> I don't know about all that Lance. What exact part of him are you calling >> "his humanity" Is it the body or the soul? >> Also what exactly is a "trinitarian nature?" These are brand new terms >> someone has come up with. Could this >> be called "adding to the Word of Truth?" >> >> On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 07:39:32 -0500 "Lance Muir" >> writes: >> Judy, rightly IMO, has oft spoken of the disconnect that may take place >> between theologizing and godliness. Conversely, as illustrated in this >> post >> by Bill, a more thoroughgoing teaching, along with the apprehension, of >> the >> Trinitarian Nature of God ought to issue in that which Jt speaks of. >> (i.e. >> godliness) >> >> >> ----- Original Messag e ----- >> From: Taylor >> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org >> Sent: January 14, 2006 07:18 >> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] love and trinity >> >> >> BillT wrote: The oneness of God is therefore not a number nearly so much >> as >> it is a unity: the unifying >> love of God in koinonia -- Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. >> >> >> DAVEH responds: Any room for individuals in that equation?..........The >> oneness of God is therefore........Father, Son, Holy Spirit & Bill. >> >> Well, yes and no, DH. I am included in that circle of love in the way >> that >> Christ's humanity is included in that relationship. But as the humanity >> of >> Christ is not divine, neither am I divine. What I am is included in the >> humanity of the divine Christ and thus included in the eternal fellowship >> and community of the Son with the Father in the Holy Spirit. And because >> of >> the inseparable union of the person of Christ, his humanity with h is >> divinity, I will forever be included in the loving union of the Trinity, >> the >> oneness of God. >> >> Good question, though, >> >> Bill >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Dave Hansen >> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org >> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 10:41 PM >> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] love and trinity >> >> >> >> .........Does that work in your theological paradigm? >> >> Taylor wrote: >> Moreover, John, if God is love and God is also a singularity, like many >> people think of "one" in the statement "God is one," then the greatest >> human >> expression of that love would be narcissism: extreme self love; for that >> would be to exemplify the love of God. Instead, God is "one" -- and has >> been >> from eternity -- precisely because of the other-centered love which >> exists >> between the Father for the Son and the Son for the Father in the Holy >> Spirit. The oneness of God is th erefore not a number nearly so much as >> it >> is >> a unity: the unifying >> love of God in koinonia -- Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. >> >> Good insight, Dude, I mean Bish; you're on a roll. >> >> Bill >> -- >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Dave Hansen >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> http://www.langlitz.com >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> If you wish to receive >> things I find interesting, >> I maintain six email lists... >> JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, >> STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS. >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by Plains.Net, and is >> believed to be clean. >> >> ---------- >> "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may >> know how >> you ought to answer every man." 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