Benny Hinn, another 'inspired' teacher/evangelist, once said
that each of
the Father, Son and Spirit was a trinity and
thus, nine Gods. He also finds
himself clever in the questions
he puts forward to his hearers.
> The problem with the word "Trinity" is that it assume
Three. What do you
> do
> with texts that speak
about the Seven Spirits of God?
>
> David
Miller.
>
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>
I do not agree. "Trinity" is as much a translation of the
concept of
> "divine essence" as is "godhead" but for
theological and contextual
> reasons. Call it
philosophy if you will. The inclusion of "trinity" is
a
> sound choice if it , in fact, arises from a point
of truth. Equivalency
> is a word that figures
into my discussion. I am sure you unders tand the
>
implication.
>
> jd
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>>
The word "Trinity" is not a translation, nor is it a
transliteration. It
>> is
>> a word of
philosophers, a word constructed by theologians, and it is
a
>> philosophically loaded word. The various words of
the Greek language that
>> have been translated "Godhead"
have at their root the word "theos," and
>> therefore,
"Godhead" is an appropriate translation whereas "Trinity"
is
>> not.
>> The root for "three" is not found
in the Greek language for this word.
>>
>> David
Miller
>>
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Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 4:08 PM
>> Subject: Re:
Fw: [TruthTalk] Lance and "biblical
language"
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>>
>> Your response has
nothing to do with my comments, near as I can see.
>> My
point is this: every English word in our bible is "added " to
the
>> original text. so you like godhead" and I like
"trinity." They are both
>> translations of the orgiinal
word and/or thought.
>>
>>
jd
>>
>> -------------- Original message
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>> From: Judy
Taylor
>>
>> Here we go again - And who is the
one who denied staking everything on
>> translational and
Gk
>> arguments - very, very, recently?.
judyt
>>
>> On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 14:54:47 +0000
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writes:
>>
>> Here is an approximation of the
[NT] biblical language"
>>
>& gt; gar nomoz tou
pneumatoz thz swhzev Cristy
>>
>> All other
words [in [English] translation] are "non-biblical."
>>
"Incarnate" is no less a "biblical word" than "in the flesh" --
nor
>> "trinity " in the place of
"Godhead."
>>
>> Our translations are copies of
the original tex t (as best as we can
>> reconstruct that
text) . The Latin Vulgate has the same place in
biblical
>> history in terms of type and quality as does
the more literal of the
>> English
>>
translations.
>>
>> To argue without end over
"Godhead" verses "Trinity" is argue about
>> nothing. I
have just as much authority to read "trinity" as someone
has
>> to read "godhead" or "divine
nature."
>>
>>
jd
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
-------------- Original message --------------
>> From:
"Lance Muir"
>>
>> On employing 'non-biblical'
terminology when speaking of WHO J esus is:
>> Insofar as
the language one chooses accurately reflects the subject
under
>> discussion it may be viewed as legitimate,
helpful and, even necessary.
>>
>> May I ask
that anyone responding to the above take the time to
outline
>> their
>> own position on
this.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From:
Judy Taylor
>> To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>>
Cc:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>>
Sent: January 14, 2006 08:53
>> Subject: Re: Fw:
[TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS
>>
NOT
>> DIVINE
>>
>>
>> I don't
know about all that Lance. What exact part of him are you
calling
>> "his humanity" Is it the body or the
soul?
>> Also what exactly is a "trinitarian nature?"
These are brand new terms
>> someone has come up with.
Could this
> ;> be called "adding to the Word of
Truth?"
>>
>> On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 07:39:32 -0500
"Lance Muir"
>> writes:
>> Judy, rightly IMO,
has oft spoken of the disconnect that may take place
>>
between theologizing and godliness. Conversely, as illustrated in
this
>> post
>> by Bill, a more thoroughgoing
teaching, along with the apprehension, of
>>
the
>> Trinitarian Nature of God ought to issue in that
which Jt speaks of.
>> (i.e.
>>
godliness)
>>
>>
>> ----- Original
Messag e -----
>> From: Taylor
>> To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>>
Sent: January 14, 2006 07:18
>> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
love and trinity
>>
>>
>> BillT wrote:
The oneness of God is therefore not a number nearly so
much
>> as
>> it is a unity: the
unifying
>> love of God in koinonia -- Father, Son, and H
oly Spirit.
>>
>>
>> DAVEH responds:
Any room for individuals in that
equation?..........The
>> oneness of God is
therefore........Father, Son, Holy Spirit &
Bill.
>>
>> Well, yes and no, DH. I am included
in that circle of love in the way
>> that
>>
Christ's humanity is included in that relationship. But as the
humanity
>> of
>> Christ is not divine, neither
am I divine. What I am is included in the
>> humanity of
the divine Christ and thus included in the eternal
fellowship
>> and community of the Son with the Father in
the Holy Spirit. And because
>> of
>> the
inseparable union of the person of Christ, his humanity with h
is
>> divinity, I will forever be included in the loving
union of the Trinity,
>> the
>> oneness of
God.
>>
>> Good question,
though,
>>
>> Bill
>> ----- Original
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>> From: Dave Hansen
>> To:
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Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 10:41 PM
>> Subject: Re:
[TruthTalk] love and
trinity
>>
>>
>>
>>
.........Does that work in your theological
paradigm?
>>
>> Taylor wrote:
>>
Moreover, John, if God is love and God is also a singularity, like
many
>> people think of "one" in the statement "God is
one," then the greatest
>> human
>> _expression_
of that love would be narcissism: extreme self love; for
that
>> would be to exemplify the love of God. Instead,
God is "one" -- and has
>> been
>> from eternity
-- precisely because of the other-centered love which
>>
exists
>> between the Father for the Son and the Son for
the Father in the Holy
>> Spirit. The oneness of God is
th erefore not a number nearly so much as
>>
it
>> is
>> a unity: the unifying
> ;>
love of God in koinonia -- Father, Son, and Holy
Spirit.
>>
>> Good insight, Dude, I mean Bish;
you're on a roll.
>>
>> Bill
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