[TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE

[Judy Taylor]

Thanks David, Just a few notations... From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Judy, Jesus did not come ONLY to redeem us spiritually, but physically as well.  Jesus redeemed the whole man, spirit, soul, and body.  The body is the last thing to experience that redemption, which will be realized in the resurrection.   He came to make ALL things new - not to leave us as he found us ie: 2 Cor 5:17   The idea that what happened to Christ will happen to us is realized forcefully by acknowledging that he is indeed one of us.  He is not just our God.  He is our brother, born of the same flesh.   He called himself the Lord from Heaven and John the Baptist called him that also saying "He who comes from above is above all" (John 3:31) for God gives Him the Spirit without measure V.34   Consider Romans 6:5 "For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection." The same analogy can be made of many things concerning Christ when we realize that he was a man just like us.   David, I struggled with this early on - that is, the idea that Jesus was just like us. Today Rom 6:5 is saying to me that we must die to this old sinful flesh nature to be planted in the likeness of his death and be eligible to be part of His resurrection.   Consider the following passage:   Hebrews 12:3-4 (3) For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds. (4) Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.   The idea that gives an instruction like this power and force is the concept that he was just like us.  When he resisted sin, he did not have an edge over us that was any different than what we have.    What was the sin he resisted to the shedding of blood?  Laying his physical life down voluntarily to take on the sin of the whole world at the cross.  I've never had to make a choice like that one so far.  Have you?   Therefore, even as he resisted sin to the shedding of his own blood, so too we can find strength to do the same.  We know this when we realize that he was made in the likeness of the same sinful flesh as we have, yet he resisted the temptations of that flesh and did not succomb to it.   I have never taken comfort in that David. The comfort I receive comes from the fact that when God raised him from the dead he led captivity captive and gave gifts to men.  I have access to and faith in the same Word he used against the adversary in the wilderness and I know who was victorious at Calvary.  The way I understand it the flesh profits - his or ours.  He prevailed by the Spirit.   Hebrews 2:11 (11) For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,   Those who are "sanctified" post Calvary?   Hebrews 2:14 (14) Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same   Hebrews 2:16-17 (16) For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. (17) Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren   David Miller.     From: Judy Taylor To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 3:44 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE       From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Judy wrote: > Tell me why he (Jesus) HAD to be like US in every way?  Why couldn't he > have been > like the first Adam before the fall, the one who was created?   If Jesus were only like the first Adam and not like the rest of us, then he could only redeem those born of his own loins.  In order to redeem mankind, including Adam and Eve and all of their descendants, he would have to become one of us.   Why?  What do loins have to do with spsiritual redemption and what it takes to redeem mankind?  His salvation unlike the covering of bulls and goats is eternal because his blood is the blood of the eternal Spirit. (Hebrews 9:14)   Judy wrote: > Jesus was not exactly procreated like us since he had no human father so > that must mess up your thesis at least a little.   Such does not bother the thesis of the humanity of Jesus one bit.  Only if you argue that Jesus did not inherit genetic material from Mary would it be a problem. The Bible gives every indication that Jesus was related to Mary, related to David, related to Abraham, and related to Adam.   Yes I understand the genealogies are important and relevant or they wouldn't be there... but I see their value as more spiritual than biolgical ie: Ishmael was a biolgical son but Isaac the child of Promise.  I understand blessings and curses to come down through families generationally in the spiritual sense even though there is a biolgical dimension also.   David Miller.   ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man."  (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org   If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed.  If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.