See, The Prophet thinks you are giving me your understanding of my theology -- only repeating back to me what you think I have said. Nonsense. And here is a perfect example. "What is unassumed is unsaved" has absolutely no heritage in my writings. I don't even know what that means. Just absolute nonsense surrounded by quotation marks. If it wasn't so puzzling, it would be hilarious.
In fact, beginning with the words "If I remember correctly ................." I have no clue as to what you are talking about. And if David thinks I have given you this thought, whatever it is , well, he is just plain goofy.
jd
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JD Neither you or Bill are making any points that matter.You are so obsessed with doctrine that can not be validated by God's Word.If I remember correctly your thing is "what is unassumed is unsaved" so every vile thing had to be assumedActually - it was "at Calvary" ... But it was not in the person of the Christ neither of you seem to know.So, Judy brings up Adam before the fall, Bill rebutts with a comment about Adam before the fall, and Judy then changes the subject -- and , and , and what ? !! I don't get it. Bill's point remains unanswered. One must ask, "why?" jdOn Mon, 16 Jan 2006 23:45:43 +0000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Judy asks:Tell me why he (Jesus) HAD to be like US in every way? Why couldn't he have been like the first Adam before the fall, ...Bill respondsthe first Adam before the fall did not need to be saved Judy. We do.BillAnd judy , well, does what?The first Adam after the fall did indeed need saving from the wrath of God Billand so do we. JudyFrom: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
The first Adam after the fall did indeed need saving from the wrath of God Billand so do we. Our "humanity" is under a curse along with the rest of creation BillWhich is spelled out in scripture. Jesus went to the cross in order to institute a"New Creation" and this is why he is called the Second Adam. The first Adamis earthy or of the earthy (as we are). The Second Adam is the Lord from heaven.Your gospel is inverted Bill. It is not Jesus who takes on our likeness although hepassed in all the areas where the first Adam failed; and was without sin where weare for the most part loaded down with it. Read 1 Cor 15:42-52. Sounds to melike the second Adam is the Lord from heaven. I don't see anything earthy abouthim. Temptation or no temptation.Tell me why he (Jesus) HAD to be like US in every way? Why couldn't he have been like thefirst Adam before the fall, ...Because the first Adam before the fall did not need to be saved Judy. We do.Bill----- Original Message -----From: Judy TaylorSent: Monday, January 16, 2006 11:50 AMSubject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINEOn Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:29:01 -0700 "Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:so there is no way that this would be the same concept Bill.Why is that, Judy? Did "they" not create us in "their" likeness? (cf. Gen 1.26).Yes they did created the first Adam in their nature and character spiritually - which "likeness"Adam forfeited when he chose to go with Eve into disobedience by eating the wrong fruit.Thereafter all men (including us) are born into this world by procreation in the likeness ofthe first Adam rather than the likeness of God (Gen 5:3)The only possible way to regain the image of God lost by the first Adam is to becomeconformed to the image of the second Adam which is the sole purpose for His comingand His willingness to lay down His human life as a perfect sacrifice in our place.Laying aside the fact that you are making much too much of Seth having been born in the imageof Adam (see Gen 9.6 and answer for me what would be wrong, then, with killing someone whowas no longer created in God's image, but in Adam's),At the beginnign they were created in God's image and now Noah who found grace is startingover even though it didn't take too many generations for the whole of humanity (all but 8 ppl)to be destroyed. I don't believe God is interested in fellowshipping with a bunch of devils.Judy, I fail to understand why that should even prevent Christ from being united in his person,his humanness with his divinity.I understand. It is mixture; joining the holy with the profane which is something God hates.The only thing which could have severed that union was the one thing which he did not do:sin. Hence in his person, he was able to undo that which had indeed produced schizophreniain the relationship between humanity and God.Tell me why he (Jesus) HAD to be like US in every way? Why couldn't he have been like thefirst Adam before the fall, the one who was created? Jesus was not exactly procreated likeus since he had no human father so that must mess up your thesis at least a little.And were he not like us in every way, he could not have produced this reconciliation; for whathe would have done in a flesh unlike our own would have had no bearing upon human flesh,and we would therefore still be in sin. BillNot so; all he had to do was meet God's conditions which apparently involved passing thetest that A&E failed and he did that in the wilderness... right after his baptism.From: Judy TaylorOn Mon, 16 Jan 2006 09:57:12 -0700 "Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:so there is no way that this would be the same concept Bill.Why is that, Judy? Did "they" not create us in "their" likeness? (cf. Gen 1.26).Yes they did created the first Adam in their nature and character spiritually - which "likeness"Adam forfeited when he chose to go with Eve into disobedience by eating the wrong fruit.Thereafter all men (including us) are born into this world by procreation in the likeness ofthe first Adam rather than the likeness of God (Gen 5:3)The only possible way to regain the image of God lost by the first Adam is to becomeconformed to the image of the second Adam which is the sole purpose for His comingand His willingness to lay down His human life as a perfect sacrifice in our place..From: Judy TaylorSent: Monday, January 16, 2006 9:31 AMSubject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOTDIVINEOn Mon, 16 Jan 2006 09:29:22 -0700 "Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:OK - I'm asking Bill, what husband, and what schism?Oh, I thought you were married. The bible says that you and your husband (if you had one) were to become "one" flesh, in other words the two of you in coming together would be united -- and not just physically, I might add; it is the marriage "union" after all. The same is true with God. The bible teaches that the Lord is "one" and it uses the same word when saying this; hence there is a oneness or unity within the nature of God, a coming together of a plurality in union.God is a Spirit (Jn 4:24) so there is no way that this would be the same concept Bill. Sure the Godhead are One and unitedin Spirit.And so, since you suggested that if Christ be fully God and fully human there must be a schism, I was just wondering about the schism you have with your man. Why instead of schism aren't you united?In marriage between humans it is "one flesh" BillThere would only be a schism between the two natures of Christ if there were disunity between the two.The person of Christ had no disunity; hence no schism. BillThere would have been disunity "big time" if he had a human nature - just like us and was in fact wholly God ATST; schizophrenicwould be the right term. Also "Flesh and blood DO NOT inherit God's Kingdom" Bill so what would be the purpose??From: Judy TaylorOK - I'm asking Bill, what husband, and what schism?On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 07:28:15 -0700 "Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:And while you're at it, will you explain your schism with your husband, too?(If this needs clarification, just ask)Bill----- Original Message -----From: Dean MooreSent: Monday, January 16, 2006 5:24 AMSubject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOTDIVINE----- Original Message -----From: Judy TaylorTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: 1/14/2006 1:07:17 PMSubject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOTDIVINEDean,I think this is where "theology" gets itself tied in knots. This is what JD has been accusing me of for so long.How ironic that his mentor Bill would write something like this. I think Lance just repeated it to qualify something.So their Jesus must have a schism in his personality (or nature). What about his saying to Philip "If you haveseen me you have seen the Father" We know he wasn't speaking of his physical body here; so does GodThe Father also have a schismatic personality.cd: Judy can you define your usage of 'schismatic'.On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:59:08 -0500 "Dean Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:Well, yes and no, DH. I am included in that circle of love in the way that Christ's humanity is included in that relationship. But as the humanity of Christ is not divine, neither am I divine.cd: Lance at this point- How do you define "Divine"?
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