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Jesus is the seed of the woman as the prophecy in
Genesis foretells. He was fathered by the Holy Spirit
Now if you want to say that the Holy Spirit is the
"sperma" of David; I know that prophetically he is called
the son of David but David Himself also called him Lord
ie: "The Lord said to my Lord" ... So if I were you
I would either stop alluding to the "sperma" or explain
how the Holy Spirit and procreation fathered him all
at the same time.
"Men and brethren, let me speak freely to you of
the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with us
to this day. Therefore, being a prophet, and knowing that God had
sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of his body, according to the
flesh, He would raise up the Christ to sit on his throne," (Acts
2.29-30).
Although it was by way of his adoption by Joseph that he
was qualified to sit on the thrown, it was not by way of adoption that Jesus
became the Seed of David: that came to him "according to the flesh":
"Has not the Scripture said that the Christ comes from the seed
(sperma) of David and from the town of Bethlehem, where David was?" (Joh
7.42).
"... concerning His Son Jesus Christ our Lord, who was born of
the seed (sperma) of David according to the flesh," (Rom 1.3).
"Remember that Jesus Christ, of the seed (sperma) of David, was
raised from the dead according to my gospel," (2Tim 2.8).
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 10:14
PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus ,
neither God nor Man
Are you saying, Judy, that Mary is not of
David's lineage? You had better think this through, as Jesus absolutely must
be of the Seed of Abraham, which passes through David on its way to the
fulfillment of the promise in Christ. "Now to Abraham and his Seed were the
promises made. He does not say, 'And to seeds,' as of many, but as of one,
'And to your Seed,' who is Christ" (Gal 2.16). And it is not by way of
adoption that Abraham's Seed finds fulfillment in Christ. That would be a
blasphemous thought: "What purpose then does the law serve?
It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should
come to whom the promise was made" (Gal 2.19).
You know, Judy, you always say "Show me in
Scripture." Well, you have been shown. Now, is that all smoke, or are you
going to live by your words?
Bill
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 7:06
PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus ,
neither God nor Man
Luke writes
that Jesus was born of the fruit of David's genitals (Act 2.30):
Not exactly
Bill "David being a prophet and knowing that God had sworn with an
oath to him,
that of the
fruit of his loins, according to the
flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne."
Right, so in
Matt we have a genealogy that shows Joseph is in David's lineage but
he is
hardly the
biological father of Jesus is he? Even though Jesus is born in
his lineage.
hence he was not some kind of new humanity, freshly
brewed with new material, unrelated to fallen humankind;
No, he is
human like David was human, born on our side of the
fall.
He did not
come to this earth through procreation Bill. He did not have a human
father - He may have been
born on this side of the fall but he was most definitely not
born fallen. One can not be fallen and holy ATST
And to the naysayers Jesus said, "Before Abraham
was, I AM"; hence Jesus pre-dated even Abraham, David' predecessor.
But it was not his humanity which pre-dated David; it was his
divinity. And notice: he did not say that his Father was the I
AM, and that he was copying him. No, Jesus said that he (and this
before his glorification) is I AM; that is, Yahweh, the
LORD who covenants with Abraham.
So?? Noone here disputes his
heritage.
Jesus is FULLY GOD and fully man, two realities
in one person, united -- but make him anything less than
God or anything more than man and you are courting a
demon, who is powerless to save you.
Either that or you are courting
religious spirits who are filling your head with the doctrines they
have been promoting for thousands of
years. He doesn't have to be fully anything. He is who the Word
of God
says He is - which is the Word made
flesh.
Bill
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