Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither God nor Man

[Judy Taylor]

 

 

On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 06:48:02 +0000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Actually, Judy,  Bill is just quoting scripture. 

 

He is quoting those he needs to confirm a biological construct which in his mind and yours somehow

justifies this old windbag er wineskin.  However, if you and he don't move on and apprehend what Jesus

was really about you will lose it.  Jesus came to die. He was not born to validate or institute another

earthly biological Kingdom.

 

Why don't you figure it out instead of ignoring the scripture he has put forth?   If you can't or won't, 

change your belief to include the redeeming truth that IN CHRIST is the reconcilation of all things. 

 

Except darkness JD. Light and darkness don't mix.  Never have and never will.  Jesus was pure and

holy from his birth.  We are not.  Someone must do the adjusting.  Making doctrines to announce that

He came into this world fallen just like us will not cut it.

 

In the past, Bill has placed scripture before me  (and not Bill only).  I have not ignored any of them. 

And some have forced me to change my mind on a few matters.

 

Like Judas hanged himself???

 

Go thou and do likewise. 

 

 

jd

 

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From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Jesus is the seed of the woman as the prophecy in Genesis foretells. He was fathered by the Holy Spirit

Now if you want to say that the Holy Spirit is the "sperma" of David; I know that prophetically he is called

the son of David but David Himself also called him Lord ie:  "The Lord said to my Lord"  ... So if I were you

I would either stop alluding to the "sperma" or explain how the Holy Spirit and procreation fathered him all

at the same time.

 

On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 22:52:56 -0700 "Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

"Men and brethren, let me speak freely to you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. Therefore, being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of his body, according to the flesh, He would raise up the Christ to sit on his throne," (Acts 2.29-30).

Although it was by way of his adoption by Joseph that he was qualified to sit on the thrown, it was not by way of adoption that Jesus became the Seed of David: that came to him "according to the flesh":

"Has not the Scripture said that the Christ comes from the seed (sperma) of David and from the town of Bethlehem, where David was?" (Joh 7.42).

"... concerning His Son Jesus Christ our Lord, who was born of the seed (sperma) of David according to the flesh," (Rom 1.3).

"Remember that Jesus Christ, of the seed (sperma) of David, was raised from the dead according to my gospel," (2Tim 2.8).

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Taylor

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 10:14 PM

Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither God nor Man

Are you saying, Judy, that Mary is not of David's lineage? You had better think this through, as Jesus absolutely must be of the Seed of Abraham, which passes through David on its way to the fulfillment of the promise in Christ. "Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, 'And to seeds,' as of many, but as of one, 'And to your Seed,' who is Christ" (Gal 2.16). And it is not by way of adoption that Abraham's Seed finds fulfillment in Christ. That would be a blasphemous thought: "What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made" (Gal 2.19).

 

You know, Judy, you always say "Show me in Scripture." Well, you have been shown. Now, is that all smoke, or are you going to live by your words?

 

Bill

----- Original Message -----

From: Judy Taylor

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 7:06 PM

Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither God nor Man

From: Taylor

Luke writes that Jesus was born of the fruit of David's genitals (Act 2.30):

 

Not exactly Bill "David being a prophet and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him,

that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne."

Right, so in Matt we have a genealogy that shows Joseph is in David's lineage but he is

hardly the biological father of Jesus is he?  Even though Jesus is born in his lineage.

 

hence he was not some kind of new humanity, freshly brewed with new material, unrelated to fallen humankind;

No, he is human like David was human, born on our side of the fall.

 

He did not come to this earth through procreation Bill. He did not have a human father - He may have been

born on this side of the fall but he was most definitely not born fallen. One can not be fallen and holy ATST

 

And to the naysayers Jesus said, "Before Abraham was, I AM"; hence Jesus pre-dated even Abraham, David' predecessor. But it was not his humanity which pre-dated David; it was his divinity. And notice: he did not say that his Father was the I AM, and that he was copying him. No, Jesus said that he (and this before his glorification) is I AM; that is, Yahweh, the LORD who covenants with Abraham. 

 

So??  Noone here disputes his heritage.

 

Jesus is FULLY GOD and fully man, two realities in one person, united -- but make him anything less than God or anything more than man and you are courting a demon, who is powerless to save you.

 

Either that or you are courting religious spirits who are filling your head with the doctrines they have been promoting for thousands of years.  He doesn't have to be fully anything. He is who the Word of God

says He is - which is the Word made flesh.

 

Bill 

 

 

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