John writes > No one in this
discussion believes that Christ sinned, Dean.
cd responds >
Respectfully- If one states that Christ had a fallen nature sinful
nature that is what one is saying John.
No, Dean, it is not.
Rather, it is what you hear us saying. Your hearing,
however, is influenced by your view of sin. That John and I and
Debbie and Lance, and even David on this one, are coming from a
different vantage point than you, is a given. Why assume then that you can
see well enough from your perch to identify things from ours? I began
my previous post with an assurance that none of us view Jesus as
a sinner; John did the same with his; yet you continue to speak
only from a limited view, rather than budge just a little, that you
might see him more completely. There must be some reason why we can see
Jesus as fully representative of humankind in sinful flesh, and yet uphold
the truth that he did not sin while in that flesh. Why must you conclude
therefore that he must have been a sinner? Why not give us the benefit of
the doubt, if for just a peek, and try to see th ings from our
perspective?
You have a Christ
who was born perfected from the womb, yet the writer to the Hebrews
clearly states that Christ "learned obedience through suffering" and that
it was only after "having been perfected" -- that is, after his
resurrection even -- that he became the Author of
salvation.
You have a Christ
who was born fully sanctified, yet Jesus himself says, "I sanctify myself
(present continuous) that they too might be sanctified by the
truth."
You have a Christ
who did not experience the temptations of a fallen man, yet Paul writes
that he came in the likeness of our sinful flesh, because of sin, that he
might condemn sin in the flesh.
You have a Christ
who did not share in our humanity, yet Luke assures us that he was born of
the fruit of David's genitals according to the flesh, and the writer to
the Hebrews that as much as we "share in flesh and blood, He Himself
likewise also partook of the same," ... that he might assume the
nature of Abraham's offspring.
Indeed their is
enough here to warrant a second look, Dean. But if you will not budge,
then I must respectfully request that you please keep silent about things
you cannot see.
Bill
