Occult has to do with esoteric and these are often the basis of much of what we call cults. As I said before, one gives rise to another. If we do not agree on this , fine. I did not agree with your definition of "believer" as presented to Lance, seeing in that defintion a confusion of terms. Gnats are not very tasty. Is there a good reason why we cannot move on to substantive issues. Allow me my "moment of ignorance." There is plenty to go around !!
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My question was in reaction to:Accusing me of preaching the occult is not going to fly.----- Original Message -----From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 7:47 PMSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understandingWhat does your question (the first one) have to do with anything I have written in this post? You lost me.Certainly. Both words actually apply -- one leading to the other. I will leave it to your imagination as to what order I might place these two words as a result of what I have witnessed on this forum..jd-------------- Original message --------------
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John, are you getting paranoid? Nobody accused you of preaching the occult. Also, I hope you understand the difference between 'cult' and 'occult.'David Miller.----- Original Message -----From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 1:25 PMSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understandingLet's talk "cult," shall we? I am taking this list to the local BSF. Wonder what they will say !! It will describe a person I am dealing with who believes the following:1. Adam and Eve were spirit beings before the fall -- their flesh being changed afterwards.2. Christ is not the "eternal " Son of God.3. Christ was of human flesh for only 3 1/2 years.4. Christ was not the physical descendent of David - only in some spiritual sense.5. Christ was not "God on earth" during His ministry.6. The "Trinity" is false doctrine.7. God is male and has a penis.8. God illuminates His disciples to the extent that discussion and books are not necessary. Because of this "illumination," the understanding of acripture can be "received" from the Spirit without fear of being wrong. Those who have this Spirit cannot be mistaken when it comes to the Bible and what it means to say. And those who disagree with this are false teachers and need to be opposed.9. The old law is binding and continues to be something we must obey.I would add to this list -- but I am sure this will be sufficent .Dean, you and Judy are the very definition of "cult!!" but nice try. And what do you want to bet that BSF will not agree?By the way - you are the one who has set the tone for this response. This is the fruit of your ministry. Accusing me of preaching the occult is not going to fly.jdl message --------------
From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.Amen Dean,JD I figure you were thinking of Proverbs 11:14b when you wrote what you say below ie: "in the multitude ofcounsellors there is safety" However the "counsellors" referred to in Proverbs ARE those of God's Word orthe Biblical text as you call it. They all say the same thing by the same Spirit and this is the counsel in whichwe find safety. Groupthink?? Anathema!!On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 07:02:15 -0500 "Dean Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:cd: A very good definition of the birth of a cult John. No one truth to live by but group thinking-No standards to point our error if the group agrees with the present circumstance-I can see why your group don't like preaching such as David does-the one is dominated by the many as his voice is lost in the power of the mass.JD writes:In the biblical concept of the church
I see an avenue for continuing revelation, and if not revelation, certainly interpretation or understanding. If you will, it is in the counsel of many that our understanding of the biblical text is expanded and/or confirmed. How important, it is, then, that the church continue to meet in forums such as this -- whether virtual or physical. A community of Being reveals Himself to a community of Believers and it is out of this communal reality that our understanding of God and His t houghts is borne.
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