What could his intentions really be?
DAVEH: I don't know. I'm only hearing one side of the story, and
without knowing his inner thoughts and circumstances, it would be
difficult for anybody to judge him.
if you were to impune those present or SP's
would tha t include me?
DAVEH: Only if you were guilty. Just because you are one of the SPers
does not mean that you are a bad one, if that is the proper way
to put it.
why you do not see this as ADHOM.
DAVEH: Because I did not name you as one teaching the guy to do what
he did. If you feel guilty by association, then that is your
problem. Maybe I am wrong, but if DavidM had been there, I can't
imagine him doing anything to influence the guy to do what he did.
Though DavidM is certainly a SPer, if he didn't do anything, he ain't
guilty, even though he may associate with those who are guilty. I hope
that makes some sense....
Since it is one of the rules, we are stuck with it
DAVEH: Apparently, rules really bother some SPers. If a moderator
doesn't want to follow one of the rules, and then makes up rules to
keep somebody else from posting material the moderator doesn't
like....doesn't that qualify as a double standard?
I would not want you to think that I believe that the ends
justify the means.
DAVEH: Thanx for the clarification, Kevin. Sometimes it seems that
you do believe that way when you post LDS related material and draw
inaccurate conclusions about it.
I am not a Lying Protestant!
DAVEH: Hmmmmmmm.......putting it that way, one might conclude you are
claiming to be a truthful Protestant.
DAVEH: Is that not one of the possibilities to consider
when a person seems seems sensitive to an issue?
Thanks Dave, you are one of the only people on TT that really
shows such understanding. As you have correctly figured, I am a very
sensitive guy, I am just a real cream puff!
Well if one followed the thread you were responding to Dean as
to
his comment that a Mormon had encouraged SP's to tear pics of the LDS
'prophet', He even supplied the pics. AS it was implied he was not the
nicest guy in Salt Lake. What could his intentions really be?
Would he
qualify as let me borrow the term "snake"? He betrays his own religion.
"DH .....Sounds like something he
learned from SPers."
Seeing as I was present and I am a SP and very possibly PUBLIC
ENEMY #2 as to the LDS, if you were to impune those present or
SP's
would tha t include me? I don't see why you do not see
this as ADHOM.
as an aside, I am actually against such a rule and think it is foolish
we do more talk about ADHOM than any other subject. As you might have
noticed I posted yesterday some verses that show that Paul under
fullness of the Holy Ghost attacked the person of Elymas. There is a
use for labels and it is just that; to IDENTIFY. The Erroneous use of
labels is in attempting to use them as a part of a "logical" argument.
Since it is one of the rules, we are stuck with it. I
see the intent of
the rule since who wants to read O yeah yur mutha wears combat boots
(excuse me PLEAZE, keep your hat on, Gary)
As to why I might seem sensitive.
I would not want you to think that I believe that the ends
justify the means.
That there is anything such as
"lying f or the lord" LDS
"Theocratic War Stategy" (lying) Jehovah
Witness
see Watchtower mag 1957 5/1 "Use Theocratic War Strategy"
Just Lies RC - Reformed Catholic- Reformed
Confederate Theocrats - Protestants
The commandment
does not say that "thou shalt never tell a lie."
"Rahab risked
everything
in order to follow the laws of God, including telling Lies"
John Whitehead The Theology of Christian Resistance 1983
"But does God require
us
to tell the truth at all times? Such a proposition is highly
questionable". R J Rushdoony Institutes of Biblical Law 1972 p
543
I am not a Lying Protestant!
There is something seriously perverted & wrong with anyone
that thinks it is RIGHT to Lie!!!! The long philosophic discussions of
the circumstances were lying may be employed, are very illuminating
shows of the darkness enveloping these minds. Doing wrong is NEVER
RIGHT! The following is not "HIGHLY QUESTIONABLE"!
THOU SHALT NOT LIE
What would give folks such thoughts?
Guilt?
What would give you such thoughts?
DAVEH: Is that not one of the possibilities to consider when a person
seems seems sensitive to an issue? I can't imagine DavidM being
sensitive to what I said about SPers, yet you seemed to consider my
comment an ad-hom.....why? Your name wasn't mentioned. Not even was a
specific action mentioned. Yet it appeared as though you identified
with something underlying. Makes me wonder what makes you tick,
Kevin....Do you really think my speculative comment constitutes an
ad-hom? If so....specifically to whom is the ad-hom against?
Kevin Deegan wrote:
Guilt? What would give you such thoughts?
Titus Unto the pure all things
are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is
nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
Notice it i s persons that are defiled not their thoughts/beliefs.
It is people that are cast into HELL not their beliefs!
Do you feel comfortable with SPers
who do such, or use other demeaning tactics such as waving underwear?
Great peace have they which love thy
law: and nothing shall offend them.
Jesus taught that those that are offended have no root in
themselves MT 13:21 and can not endure.
Are you saying Mormons are ABOVE REPROACH?
Pr 15:10 Correction
i s grievous unto him that forsaketh the way: and he that hateth
reproof shall die.
2 Tim 4:2-4 Preach the word; be
instant
in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke,
exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.For the time will come when
they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall
they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall
turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
1 Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of
the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose
the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the
devil.
Pr 27:5 Open rebuke is better than
secret love.
We are told in
the
Book of Jude to contend for the faith
which was once delivered unto the saints.
Amos 3:3 Can two walk together, except
they be agreed?
Lu 12:51 Suppose ye that I am come to
give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division
Pr 28:4 They that forsake the law
praise
the wicked: but such as keep the law contend with them
Jn 9:39 And Jesus said, For judgment I
am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that
they which see might be made blind.
Does
this come close to a NON BLATANT AD HOM in your eyes?
DAVEH: Naw.....It's just an observation, Kevin. Why do think it is an
ad-hom? Did you feel a twinge of guilt when reading it? I would be
very surprised if a SPers such as I imagine DavidM to be would fee
guilty, as I can't imagine him using simular tactics. But if it
struck a sensitive nerve with you....well, I suppose I wouldn't be
surprised.&nb sp; However Kevin, I really don't know you very
well. Do you feel comfortable with SPers who do such, or use other
demeaning tactics such as waving underwear?
Kevin Deegan wrote:
Sure sounded like a
set
up to me? You agree DaveH?
DAVEH: Hmmmmmmm again.....Sounds like
something he learned from SPers.
WHAT are you implying DH? Does this come close to a
NON BLATANT AD HOM in your eyes?
Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote: That wasn't not done out of
respect.
DAVEH: Hmmmmmm.. .....Do you have any respect for Mormons, Dean?
Sure
sounded
like a set up to me? You agree DaveH?
DAVEH: Hmmmmmmm again.....Sounds like something he learned from SPers.
Would a
Mormon High Priest do such?
DAVEH: None that I know would do such. Hmmmmmmm a third
time......Perhaps he was a SPer claiming to be MHP. If he was indeed a
true Mormon, I believe his actions were inappropriate, and I will
apologize to you in his behalf. However, I disl ike drawing
conclusions without hearing the his side of the story.
Dave you
need
to learn to separate the Moderator "Judge More" from Dean Moore.
DAVEH: That's a mistake I've seen other moderators use as an excuse
for improper behavior. Do you believe that separating Judge Dean from Judge More
absolves you from responsible behavior? If Judge Dean posts an ad-hom,
would not be reasonable to expect Judge More admonish
him? If not, then would Judge
More be practicing a double standard?
Perhaps I do have trouble separating the Moderator "Judge More" from Dean Moore.....when
I hear you say something to the effect......
Group
Please keep off the Ad. Hom. grass so I can give the "Provoker" some
attention
........I pretty much hear Judge
More's voice, despite your claim that it is
Judge Dean's lips that are moving. I can't see which side of the mouth
you are speaking from, Judge Dean. I can only read your words and
interpret them a s coming from one who intends to take no prisoners.
All
I meant was that we are headed to our usual take no prisoners debate.
DAVEH: You are the one who called me a pagan, Judge Dean. If you
wish to refuse to apologize for making that ad-hom remark, and if Judge
Moore does not call you on the carpet for posting blatant ad-homs, then
would Judge Moore be justified in giving me the boot if I merely
referred to Judge Dean's _______(fill in the blank) practices? Your take no
prisoners comment seems to imply TT
is not big enough for both of us, Judge Dean. Is that where you want
to go with this?
gave us
copies to tear up in from of the Temple-but we didn't do so.
DAVEH: Thank you for that measure
of respect, Dean.
cd: That wasn't
not done out of respect. I just don't like being set up/used by
Mormons.He told us that Mormons loved the present Prophet (so-called)
more t hen they loved J. Smith-then gave us the pictures then
instructed us to tear them up in front of the Temple. Sure sounded
like a set up to me? You agree DaveH? Would a Mormon High
Priest do such?
I guess I will
Get
DavH off you back
DAVEH: ??? Does that mean you have your finger on the EXECUTE DavH button, Judge Dean?
Has Kevin been complaining about me bothering him lately? I don't
recall saying anything to him recently that woul d be
disrespectful......But if he wants me gone, it is within your power to
carry out his wishes.
cd: Dave you
need
to learn to separate the Moderator "Judge More" from Dean Moore. All
I meant was that we are headed to our usual take no prisoners debate.
Group Please
keep off the Ad. Hom. grass so I can give the "Provoker" some attention
DAVEH: How considerate of you, Judge Dean! I guess I should fee
privileged that you are willing to devote all your attention to me to
the exclusion of other TTers. It does seem a bit selfish though.....as
you seem to want to smoke all the Ad.
Hom. grass yourself!!! Just don't inhale though,
as you might choke on it...... =-O
cd: Sound like you also like a good
fight-You admitted to provocking me and I am answering your caslling
out and I am standing here Mormon-lets get on with it Pagan.
Dean Moore wrote:
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cd: Ouch:-)
Hey
I have that picture in mutli's-The High Priest that Ruben hung out
(what was his name?)with gave us copies to tear up in from of
the Temple-but we didn't do so. Kevin I gue ss I will Get
DavH off you back for a while as soon as David shows of-or better
yet I might as well get stated on that:-)So I will be busy for a while-Group
Please keep off the Ad. Hom. grass so I can give the "Provoker" some
attention.
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