> turbine is not only the turbine.jar .. we use velocity, 
> commons-packages, ...
> all this packages use different logging  packages (log4j, 
> commons-logging, ...)
> 
> so it will not be possible to have one single logging mechanism for all 
> of them ...
> i think this is a problem which should be discussed on the general list 

Yes, we are stuck with configuring many logging mechanisms now, and will
continue to be.

I thought the more immediate concern was logging WITHIN turbine and its
associated services.

For _that_ case I would like to see the avalon idiom and interfaces
used, especially when we are already planning on using their lifecycle. 

It doesn't _matter_ what the actual logging mechanism is in such a case.
I'm sure any of us with a reasonable complex application will be stuck
configuring 3 or more anyway.

Tangent: I'm all for sharing code, but what makes something in commons
better than something in avalon-framework? Commons is pretty much
unregulated, there is no reason to believe any of the commons projects
are the best solution. Avalon-Framework has been through a number of
revisions and has been fought over and refined for much longer than
anything in commons. Lets make a decision that is technically best, and
then work out the politics.





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