I think that is a great run down of the arguments in favor of this.  I would
definitely like to see this functionality added.

Eric

-----Original Message-----
From: Colin Sampaleanu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 3:20 PM
To: Turbine Maven Users List
Subject: Re: Mechanism to skip tests


I love unit tests, but I simply don't buy the argument that you must 
always run them to build a certain artifact (jar, war, ear, etc) under 
_all_ circumstances. I gave the example of the property file change. An 
even better example is if I run
  maven java:jar
which runs unit tests, but afterwards realize I wanted to do
  maven jar:install
instead. Now I have to sit through a bunch of unit tests when I 
basically know for sure that nothing has changed, and all I want to do 
is deploy the jar I've already built. Same applies to building a war, 
etc. When you get to reactor based builds of multiple projects wasted 
time becomes evan more critical.

Unit tests are a very important part of agile methodologies; so is a 
rapid build/test cycle, and part of that implies being able to control 
exactly and precisely what to build and test. When you have a toy 
project, it's easy to say, "build and test everything". When you have a 
big project with unit tests that take 2-3 minutes, I need some mechanism 
where I can turn off testing everything and specify that I want to test 
only one class, or one area. This can make the difference between 
getting in  20 cycles in an hour vs 5 cycles in an hour, for example. 
Having to modify project.xml is not easy/fast enough...

I've now read the thread you were talking about. I am willing to make 
changes and supply patches to allow tests to be controlled in a 
conditional fashion, If a committer is willing to check them in.

Regards,  Colin


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>I posted an email a while ago about that as well..  I would love to be able
>to call maven java:jar -ignore test:test etc....  For the same reasons you
>have specified.  Purists have said that you should ALWAYS run tests, but
>when they slow you down too much, they are just ignored.  I think being
able
>to selectively turn them on and off would be great.
>
>Eric
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Colin Sampaleanu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 2:31 PM
>To: Turbine Maven Users List
>Subject: Mechanism to skip tests
>
>
>Is there an easy mechanism which I have missed to allow tests to be 
>skipped when performing a target (such as java:jar) which has a 
>dependency on test:test? I've looked at the source for the test and java 
>plugins and can't see anything.
>
>Generally you do want to run tests when building a jar (or some artifact 
>farther down the dependency chain). But it is also a pretty common 
>occurrence that you want to do that target without executing tests, e.g. 
>when you have just changed a property file, etc., and you know it will 
>not affect tests. I realize that 'maven.test.failure.ignore' is 
>available, but that just skips failing if the tests don't run, I am 
>looking for something which allows skipping the running of tests.
>
>Generally, I think you should be able to set whether tests are compiled 
>by default, and allow that value to be toggled easily at runtime, and 
>then a similar mechanism to set whether tests are executed by default, 
>and allow that value to be toggled easily at runtime. This should also 
>work for the reactor.
>
>Does anybody agree or have comments?
>
>Is there a mechanism by which I can dynamically remove dependencies? 
>E.g. one way I can see to handle the above (assuming something isn't 
>added to maven itself) is to have a target in my maven.xml which based 
>on a property, plays with the dependencies dynamically to remove test:test.
>  
>



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