sebb wrote:
On 05/02/2008, Jean-Sebastien Delfino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Simon Nash wrote:
Jean-Sebastien Delfino wrote:
[snip]
- route the JIRA traffic out of the dev list as suggested by Matthieu

I understand that this traffic can get a bit overwhelming at times, but
I'd like to make the case that it does have value for new developers
(though not for users).  One of the best ways to start down the path to
becoming a contributor and committer is through writing or fixing JIRAs.
Having the JIRA traffic appear on the dev list helps people to see what
JIRAs others are writing and can encourage new contributors to jump in
with a comment or a fix, or to write other JIRAs themselves.

I could be convinced either way :)

Some projects have a separate issues list, but it's one more list for
people to subscribe to.

Any decent e-mail client should be able to separate the JIRA mails
from the rest.

However few (if any) mail archives seem to offer such facilies and so
can be difficult to read if there are lots of JIRA messages mixed in
with the rest.

One other consideration - sometimes it's appropriate to reply to a
JIRA rather than updating the issue: if there are two lists, on has to
decide - should the replies go to both or just dev?

In such a case I think the reply should just go to the dev list.  All
discussions should be happening there, not on the commits list.

  Simon

Or can we configure JIRA to only send a message when a comment is added
to an issue?


Surely one needs all the JIRA changes?

- improve mailing list communication with shorter and clearer emails

This is a good idea, and will help improve many of our mailing list
exchanges.  It does raise the question of what do we do when we need
to have some in-depth discussion that might be a bit rambling with a few
blind alleys along the way.  Can this be done effectively with scheduled
IRC chats, as we used to have?  My recollection is that we did not
usually discuss or resolve deep technical topics on these chats.
What about phone calls?  (This is what my company would do in such
cases.)  I have an account that offers worldwide toll-free access
numbers, so cost wouldn't be an issue, but this isn't considered the
Apache Way because of time zone issues and scheduling conflicts.
What do people think is the best way to conduct this other kind of
deeper discussion?

[snip]

We should use email as it's public, asynchronous and archived. We need
to try to keep them to the point, and perhaps use our Wiki to summarize
the discussions.

--
Jean-Sebastien

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