I dont think sexual predators are hoping for anything like what I suggested. Any employee who raped a woman in his office should be fired, and then arrested and tried in court, and that is what would happen if my suggestion is followed. But an employee who told a dirty joke, or patted a coworker he thought he had “that kind of relationship with” on the ass, maybe should be warned, or suspended but not fired. And an employee who did not do anything wrong, but is merely accused of it, should not be fired or disciplined at all.
If Matt Lauer told his bosses last night that he never engaged in any inappropriate behavior, and was able to provide plausible support, and his bosses were not able to identify any corroborating evidence to support the allegations, then I don’t think he should have been fired today (nor do I think he would have been). I think we know from the reporting today that, ot the contrary, there was plenty of corroborating evidence for the accusations, and that Lauer was unable to deny, or at least to do so plausibly, the charges, and so he was fired - again, as he should have been. On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 8:25 PM Kevin M. <drunkbastar...@gmail.com> wrote: > I've posted elsewhere in social media that while not common, I knew a few > executives and high ranking Hollywood folks who had a button to either > close their door or secure their office from their desk. Heck, the head of > the NBC Page program in Burbank had one in his office. > > As to the more serious issue PGage brought up, I suspect that reaction > (that "we have to be more careful with the actions taken in light of these > accusations...") is exactly what the sexual predators are now counting on, > and that the oversaturation of these revelations could lead to pop culture > reaching a breaking point at which it reverts to its previous attitude > towards harassment. I'm not saying that is what PGage is doing or > suggesting, merely that as we continue to be rocked by wave after wave of > accusations, and as people we once admired are included among the accused, > the temptation to shift focus backwards is going to grow. If there are > wrongly accused people out there, as PGage referenced that is what > courtrooms and lawyers are for. In this instance, the accusations made > against Lauer seem to have been vetted more than many. > > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 7:57 PM, PGage <pga...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> WTF? >> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/29/business/media/nbc-matt-lauer.html >> >> I just got home from work and saw Rachel’s coverage of this, and then >> read the above NYT story. When I got up this morning the allegations of >> misbehavior were vague (I now hear they concern behavior that began while >> ML was covering the Sochi Olympics). But the allegations that were being >> investigated by the NYT, and that now have apparently been officially >> reported to NBC HR, are horrific - and include more unwanted live Dick >> exposures (and really, can there be any other kind of live Dick exposure?) >> plus an episode of brutal rape, in which Lauer is accused of asking a >> female colleague to take off her blouse and expose her breasts (which she >> did), and then he locked his office door (with some magic desk button), >> pulled down her pants, bent her over his desk and penetrated her from >> behind. She says she passed out half way through, and later had to be taken >> to the hospital. >> >> JESUS CHRIST >> >> I hope at the very least this story helps us bein to make some basic >> distinctions in the realm of sexual misbehavior. Al Franken’s alleged >> misbehavior is bad, but not in the same area code as Louie CK, which is not >> in the same time zone as Matt Lauer and Donald Trump. >> >> I am also thinking we have to be more careful with the actions taken in >> light of these accusations. Innocent until proven guilty applies in cases >> of civil or criminal court; and in the court of public opinion people are >> free to make up thieir mind based on whatever. But firing people from their >> job’s has to be somewhere in between those two. I am going to assume that >> in cases like Lauer and Rose, the employer talked to the employee, who >> either admitted enough of the substance of the allegations to justify >> immediate termination, or were unable to provide a reasonable or convincing >> denial. I don’t want to sound like Donald Trump, but I do think that if the >> accused strongly denies the charges, and is able to provide some plausible >> explanation, that people in most kinds of jobs deserve a little more due >> process before just being summarily fired (maybe a suspension pending >> further investigation). >> >> In Matt Lauer’s case, depending on what the statue of limitations issues >> are, I would expect we should see a criminal investigation and possible >> trial. >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 2:51 PM Kevin M. <drunkbastar...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Lately, Griffin has reminded me of my Grammy nominated stalker (I’ve >>> named her previously but after years of her cyberstalking me and others, >>> I’m done even giving her bad publicity at this point). >>> >>> There should be a study comparing people who screw up and blame everyone >>> but themselves with people who suffer from severe psychosis/mental illness. >>> It just feels like that reaction is often the start (or symptom) of major >>> mental health problems. >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 1:12 PM Steve Timko <steveti...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Kathy Griffin goes off on Lauer. I thought she is funny, but I think >>>> she is really losing it. >>>> >>>> https://twitter.com/kathygriffin/status/935875572110057474 >>>> >>>> Not sent from an iPhone. >>>> On Nov 29, 2017, at 5:16 AM, PGage <pga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Making on air announcements about a much loved colleague getting fired >>>>> for sexual impropriety is rapidly becoming a standard element in a female >>>>> TV journalist’s tool kit. >>>>> >>>>> The memo Guthrie read from Lack said they just received the detailed >>>>> complaint Monday night; what it did not say is that NBC had to have known >>>>> about this for a lot longer than that. This morning’s announcement about >>>>> Lauer is one of the least surprising of the recent spree. There have been >>>>> reports for weeks that there has been an investigation into this by some >>>>> news organization (I think the NYT), and just over Thanksgiving chatter at >>>>> my house there was a consensus that Lauer would be the next big name to >>>>> drop. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 4:22 AM Melissa P < takingupspace...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Can't say I'm totally surprised. >>>>>> >>>>>> And -- just now, I'm seeing my former staff director defending >>>>>> Conyers! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> In a statement read on the air by Savannah Guthrie from NBC News >>>>>> Chairman Andy Lack, the network said it received a complaint about >>>>>> "inappropriate sexual behavior in the workplace," and decided to >>>>>> terminate >>>>>> the longtime "Today" show host's employment. 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