On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 8:22 PM PGage <pga...@gmail.com> wrote: > Again, this is true, but it is the problem, not the defense. >
I too lived behind the Orange Curtain. And while I clearly do not subscribe to the man’s politics, I do enjoy John Wayne westerns (his war movies are beyond bad, and Big Jim McLain was Trump-caliber propaganda). But fan or not, John Wayne’s presence in Orange County was pervasive, even decades after his death. Everybody knew where he lived, everybody knew which boat was his, everybody knew his favorite restaurant. Until Dennis Rodman came along with his vulgar Hummer covered in naked women, Wayne was THE larger-than-life celebrity in the area (and it wouldn’t surprise me if Rodman gets things named after him too, eventually). I wasn’t around when the airport got its name, and maybe his politics played a direct role in it, but it could easily have been a bunch of crusty white men in a smoke filled room saying “Well who else could we possibly name it after?” I mean, Irvine named every other damned thing after himself, but nobody knew who he was, and I doubt most who currently live in Irvine know it’s even named after a person. > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 6:11 PM 'Dave Sikula' via TVorNotTV < > tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >> Not to defend that mindset at all, but I grew up in La Mirada, which is >> about as far south as a person can go in Los Angeles County before crossing >> the Orange Curtain. >> >> When we moved into our house in 1962, the realtor proudly told my mother >> that there was an agreement that the first one of them who sold a house to >> a Negro would be blackballed by the others. >> >> There wasn't a Black family in town until 1972. A coalition of town >> fathers (among them a U.S. Congressman and the high school football coach) >> burned a cross on their lawn. It was we;-known throughout the town who had >> done it, but there was no way to get the case taken on by the authorities >> (who were, needless to say, in the bag). >> >> So naming an airport--or anything--for any racist in that period wouldn't >> have given anyone a second thought--especially an airport right next door >> to Irvine, which was incredibly restricted until even more recently. >> >> --Dave Sikua >> >> On Tuesday, June 30, 2020 at 6:29:58 PM UTC-7, PGage wrote: >>> >>> That is a dubious argument for not defending adequately against >>> COVID-19, and it is an even worse defense for John Wayne and Orange County. >>> We are talking about 1979 (when they named the airport) not 1779. There >>> were plenty of Americans who knew racism was wrong at that time. If a >>> particular herd refused to see that, they are assholes, not immune. >>> >>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 4:24 PM Steve Timko <steve...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Herd immunity. Everyone around him was infected with racism. >>>> On Jun 30, 2020, at 12:49 PM, PGage <pga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> No. He wasn’t. I’m saying that too. But how is that a point in his >>>>> defense? >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 8:44 AM Steve Timko < steve...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I am saying he wasn't much of an outlier in the Republican Party >>>>>> On Jun 30, 2020, at 6:35 AM, PGage < pga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I’m not sure your first point is a defense. Orange County chose to >>>>>>> name the airport after him when it was proud of its identity as a >>>>>>> bastion >>>>>>> of white, conservative, Republican power in Sothern California, >>>>>>> specifically to celebrate and brand itself with Wayne’s brand of thinly >>>>>>> veiled racism and jingoism. The county is substantially (though not >>>>>>> completely) different today, and no surprise a majority there no longer >>>>>>> want the racist brand. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 8:41 PM Steve Timko < steve...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What John Wayne said was inexcusable and likely he said much worse >>>>>>>> in private. >>>>>>>> Two points in his defense: >>>>>>>> His views were not that far from typical Republican views at the >>>>>>>> time (read transcripts of the Nixon tapes) and sadly not far enough >>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>> the beliefs of most white Americans. >>>>>>>> He fully owned the racist character in "The Searchers" and >>>>>>>> Hollywood has produced few movies as anti-Trumpanzee as "The >>>>>>>> Searchers." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 29, 2020, 7:05 PM PGage < pga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And yet, there are many people who call the Orange County Airport >>>>>>>>> John Wayne. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 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