You're right: https://deadline.com/2020/07/netflix-closes-50m-deal-for-aaron-sorkin-the-trial-of-chicago-7-1202974968/
Paramount in particular has sold many of their movies to streaming this year. They sold Greyhound to Apple TV+ too. Oh well, insert Mank, in the below :-) That's a true Netflix original - and I'm looking forward to that as well! On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 2:42 PM Doug Eastick <east...@mcd.on.ca> wrote: > Sorkin's new movie (chicago 7) is only on netflix because of COVID. It > was scheduled for theaters, but netflix picked it up in September. > > (sorry I don't have a hyperlink for the article I read earlier this week) > > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 6:48 AM Adam Bowie <a...@adambowie.co.uk> wrote: > >> I still like Netflix. It'll be one of the last TV services I cancelled if >> forced to make a choice. I enjoyed the new Aaron Sorkin movie last week, >> and this week watched the new version of Rebecca (lavish, but ho-hum - and >> I'm a massive fan of the director). It's a no-brainer if they keep churning >> out at this rate. >> >> But there was an interesting piece in Quartz this week about their >> reliance on library titles that they don't own. Those Friends, The Office >> and Parks & Rec re-runs are (or were) very popular. And they've not yet >> managed their own 100 episode+ bingeable comfort food like that. And if >> they keep cancelling stuff quickly, they never will. >> >> >> https://qz.com/1918007/netflixs-original-shows-are-rarely-its-most-popular/ >> >> Incidentally, what I really don't like about Netflix is their corporate >> culture. Really quite savage. I recommend a recent podcast series by Peter >> Kafka and Rani Molla - Land of the Giants. The first episode gets into that >> culture: https://www.vox.com/land-of-the-giants-podcast >> >> >> Adam >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 4:55 AM PGage <pga...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I don’t know if Netflix’s model will work, but I admire what they have >>> been doing. They determined very early on, when they we’re still mostly >>> mailing out DVDs, that the future of their business was streaming. >>> >>> And they knew back then that eventually they would be going up against >>> companies with MUCH deeper pockets than theirs. They also knew that soon >>> enough the big content companies were going to stop making it so easy for >>> Netflix by letting them pass on their product. So they decided to invest >>> heavily in developing content, hoping that their commitment to spending, >>> market share and name recognition would allow them to beat the big boys in >>> the coming wars. >>> >>> A decade or so later, those wars are here, and the fact that Netflix is >>> still holding its own is impressive. Maybe they can’t spend their way to >>> victory, but almost certainly if they stop spending, they lose. >>> >>> Total Assets of Netflix and some competitors (per the Wiki report on >>> each company page): >>> Netflix: $34B >>> Warner Media (HBO): $69B >>> Disney: $193B >>> Amazon: $225B >>> Comcast: $263B >>> >>> I think Netflix’s strategy basically is to make it so expensive for most >>> of the Big Boys to play the streaming game that they decide it’s not worth >>> it to lose money in a non-core part of their business. If that is even part >>> right, after an initial pandemic pause I would expect them to jump right >>> back in to contributing their share and more of Peak TV. >>> >>> I have been rooting for them from the beginning, and I still am. >>> >>> On Thu, 22 Oct 2020 at 6:11 PM Adam Bowie <a...@adambowie.co.uk> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 1:41 AM Doug Eastick <east...@mcd.on.ca> wrote: >>>> >>>>> ok.... so I understand now that Peak TV means quantity.... or a large >>>>> pile with a peak -- ok, got it. I've been wondering about this crazy >>>>> volume of productions for a few years now (basically once the streamers >>>>> like Netflix started winning Emmys). The crazy volume of shows, I don't >>>>> think, can be sustained from an economical basis. Sure all these >>>>> streaming studios/channels will disrupt the TV economy/landscape, but is >>>>> this not like the DotCom boom? So much money out there based on vacuous >>>>> or >>>>> hopeful eyeballs and unproven models. >>>>> >>>> >>>> I think it's widely thought that there *is* also a new golden age of >>>> TV, because there are definitely a lot of high quality series out there. >>>> You still have to hunt though. Netflix may have hit it out of the park with >>>> House of Cards and Orange Is The New Black when it started. But now we get >>>> Emily in Paris... but also The Crown. >>>> >>>> I'm certain that the model isn't economical any more. In the old days, >>>> there were massive syndication revenues to be achieved (and for some >>>> perhaps there still are), but now you have Netflix spending more than they >>>> earn, and attempting to make TV shows not just for the US, but the world. >>>> The UK is now their number three production base, but Netflix is making TV >>>> in pretty much every European country, as well as places like India, >>>> Australia and dozens of other places. And they're making movies - they want >>>> to win Oscars. And they're making reality TV. And then there's the vast >>>> volume of kids stuff that I suspect few of us here are watching. >>>> >>>> They need to sign up a hell of lot of people to make their business >>>> model work. >>>> >>>> Meanwhile Amazon and Apple can essentially subsidise their TV services >>>> while they play their game (Amazon can amortise their spend against other >>>> Amazon revenues, but I reckon Apple will be out of TV production in a few >>>> years' time). But the spending is just a rounding error on their >>>> spreadsheets. >>>> >>>> If you're HBO Max or Peacock, you have to build an offering that's >>>> equal to that of Netflix. Viewers expect it. >>>> >>>> It's all got to be unsustainable. And where it leaves traditional >>>> networks I have no idea. >>>> >>>> >>>> I would really LOVE to see some of the inside metrics of Netflix and >>>>> their "renewal" decisions (prior to Covid-19). >>>>> >>>> >>>> From what I've read, there's a whole bunch of stuff. They're looking at >>>> 28 day views from launch, as well as overall views. But they also really >>>> need stuff that brings in new viewers. So if a show has settled down with a >>>> viewership base after a couple of seasons, and isn't still growing, or >>>> bringing in new viewers, then it's more likely to be cancelled. >>>> >>>> There's also the production model and the costs. In traditional TV, the >>>> production company can do things with the show after it's been on network >>>> TV. They can put it in syndication, sell it globally, licence it to >>>> streaming services or whatever. That's where the profit for the studio who >>>> makes it comes from. But Netflix doesn't really do most of those things. So >>>> they have to overpay on production costs for their originals because they >>>> want *all* the rights upfront. So the only revenues the producing studios >>>> can get are the fees from Netflix. So these tend to be stepped upwards - >>>> the show gets more expensive the longer it's on air. While that's often >>>> true for network TV too - casts of hit shows getting massive pay bumps - >>>> there's those down the road deals to mitigate the increases. For Netflix, >>>> they just see costs increasing season or season. >>>> >>>> There does seem to be a lot of "cancelled after two seasons" on >>>> Netflix, and these are some of the reasons. The downside for viewers is >>>> shows that don't wrap up properly or get left on unresolved cliffhangers. >>>> Will viewers start to get fed up with Netflix if they continue that? Maybe >>>> in due course. >>>> >>>> Now you can factor in the Covid costs too. >>>> >>>> Personally I can't see the Netflix model ever making enormous sense. >>>> The scale they have to work at to entertain the world is too much. While >>>> Americans might watch the odd British show and certainly vice versa, the >>>> same isn't always true of, say French viewers or Indian viewers. They'll >>>> watch a bit, but they like things in their own language featuring their own >>>> cultures. So Netflix has to make local language stuff in pretty much every >>>> territory they operate in. Netflix *has* done a decent job with this to an >>>> extent - the Spanish series Money Heist is truly popular globally for >>>> example - but that's an exception. 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