Goodell tries to set record straight on whether teams were told to warm up to re-start the game, but really doesn’t.
Still seems to me that lower level league officials did give the 5 min warning, and tell ESPN they had done it, while upper level management was still trying to figure things out. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/09/sports/football/damar-hamlin-injury-controversy.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare On Tue, 3 Jan 2023 at 2:05 PM John Edwards <jedward...@gmail.com> wrote: > On the return to play question, something fishy is going on. The NFL is > trying to walk that back now, but the ESPN broadcast mentioned four times > that teams had been told they had five minutes to warm up, and footage of > Joe Burrow warming up was shown. I also saw indications that ESPN Deportes > and Westwood One radio said the same thing. It's obvious to me that that > message was sent to the teams and the broadcasters. By who, I don't know, > but the NFL would do well to admit that it happened, and move on. > > I think ESPN had the right set of people working last night. Scott Van > Pelt is the only one there, IMO, who can hold Bob Ley's microphone in terms > of being the conscience of the network, and a serious voice when necessary. > > I just hope that the medical personnel got there quickly enough such that > Hamlin is able to make a full recovery. Having been intubated twice, I can > say that it sucks but it beats the hell out of the alternative. > > John > > On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 3:24 PM PGage <pga...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I am on my lunch break from work, and tried to review any breaking news >> on this story, though may have missed something. I hope we can still say >> that referring to him as a “Dying man” is inaccurate. A lot depends on the >> specifics of his case, but we do know of athletes in similar situations who >> recovered, and even returned to play. >> >> My understanding is that it is unclear if the NFL ever ordered teams to >> get ready to resume play; Troy Vincent, a former player who is now a >> ranking NFL official has strongly denied this, though Buck did say last >> night that League sources had told the announcers that the teams had been >> given a 5 min warning. We shall see how that plays out. >> >> I think it is very unlikely that this event will end the NFL. While >> tragic, this was basically a freak accident, and not really related to the >> specific dangers of the game. OTOH, there are a number of serious and >> catastrophic outcomes associated with the unique characteristics and rules >> of the game, and policies of the League, and yet these have shown no sign >> of ending the league. There seems to be way too much money being generated >> by football to allow radical changes. >> >> On Tue, 3 Jan 2023 at 8:45 AM Kevin M. <drunkbastar...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> My brother is the biggest pro football fan I’ve ever encountered; he >>> said the events of last night were the beginning of the end of football. >>> I’d like to think he is correct, however we are a nation that experiences a >>> mass shooting nearly every day, but does nothing to limit guns. America >>> simply doesn’t care if football players live or die, as long as they have a >>> game to watch. >>> >>> The only thing I saw that was potentially noteworthy was that the >>> decision to end the game came from he coaches; the NFL allegedly wanted the >>> game to resume shortly after the dying man was removed from the field. >>> That’s very telling. >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 8:34 AM PGage <pga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I am no cheerleader for the NFL, ESPN, or Joe Buck, but I give Buck, >>>> Aikman and ESPN generally positive marks for how they handled an >>>> unprecedented medical emergency during last night’s MNF telecast. >>>> >>>> As the severity of the incident became clear they were respectful and >>>> restrained, and avoided speculation. When there wasn’t anything to say, >>>> they noted that, and didn’t say anything. I thought it was smart to switch >>>> to the studio and let those people fill time, rather than than have the >>>> broadcasters on site do that. sideline reporter Lisa Salter really >>>> distinguished herself, reporting what she could observe, filtering out what >>>> must have been a flood of rumors and speculation, all while allowing her >>>> humanity and emotion to appropriately come through. >>>> >>>> One problem with the restraint they showed is it created a vacuum into >>>> which anti-vax poison got injected over social media. Qualified physicians >>>> could tell what had likely happened, but I think ESPN was right not to put >>>> one of those on, and instead restrict themselves to what was actually >>>> known. >>>> >>>> Hoping for the best for Damar Hamlin, and all the young people who had >>>> to experience that. Until you actually witness medical professions engage >>>> in life saving intervention, it is difficult to prepare yourself for what >>>> it is like, and the sense that you might be watching someone you care about >>>> die. I am often critical of cliched provision of mental health counselors >>>> to the scene of emergencies, but this is a case where some of those folks >>>> are going to need someone to talk to. >>>> >>>> “The eerie and heartbreaking scene that unfolded on the field in the >>>> aftermath of Damar Hamlin’s collapse during Monday night’s Buffalo >>>> Bills-Cincinnati Bengals game presented a virtually unprecedented scenario >>>> for ESPN’s football broadcast. As the network toggled between the game >>>> broadcast crew in Cincinnati and a subdued studio set in New York, a news >>>> outlet that had prepared to cover one of the season’s biggest games >>>> suddenly found itself covering a medical calamity. >>>> >>>> Viewers at home watched the developing story unfold slowly as >>>> commentators Joe Buck and Troy Aikman and sideline reporter Lisa Salters >>>> received information and relayed it in real time. Over the next three >>>> hours, the broadcast was measured, informative and emotional. Analysts, >>>> hosts and reporters tried to make sense of a lengthy delay and an initial >>>> report that play would resume; grappled with the obvious severity of the >>>> injury; and then finally made impassioned appeals for the game to be >>>> suspended for the night, a choice the NFL eventually made.” >>>> >>>> >>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2023/01/02/espn-damar-hamlin-bengals-bills/ >>>> -- >>>> Sent from Gmail Mobile >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAKGtkYJ0VNdgyyU5Rjuxmk2YUTuwO%3DK6gYke6An%3D60Qr3dG08w%40mail.gmail.com >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAKGtkYJ0VNdgyyU5Rjuxmk2YUTuwO%3DK6gYke6An%3D60Qr3dG08w%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>> >>> >>>> -- >>> Kevin M. 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