Andreas, could you sum up your post in two sentences, please?
Kind regards
Steffen
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Am 7/15/12 9:44 PM, schrieb Andreas Becker:
Hi Steffen
It is the way some people from the T3 Top are treating those willing to help!
Even they know that those people helped and help already many times for TYPO3.
Ask them as they could help instead of blaming those who are willing to help.
TYPO3 could have a much much better active participation if in the leader team would be
more community sense instead of ego and company sense. Similar to what was mentioned
today on the german Mailinglist that the German speaking Part is quite
"elitaer" well than ask those to help first!
How many TYPO3 Integrators does TYPO3 meanwhile have - I am proud to be not one
of them!
As i offered my help and got blamed. (not by you steffen!) How many companies
get listed on TYPO3.org? Perhaps it is better to ask all of them first as they
use TYPO3.org as advertising platform while i.e. our can not! Like many others
of those who are more than willing to help if their woule be a bit more
community and less companysense in the T3Management.
I.e.we did finish the complete Thai translation of TYPO3, Helped over months (til the
missing leadership problem) very active in TYPO3 Reorg - checkout mind42 etc. and steped
in in many other places when help was needed but as a result of this you only get a
feedback like: "simply stop" or other kind of blames.
Yes TYPO3 needs help, a lot of help, as like discussed today on the German List
there are Developers who cant speak or read English ( and perhaps never knew
about Google Translate ) to help those it would be good to translate everything
in German! Should be easy as the majority of devs and companies is coming from
Germany!
Yes there is actually a very good solution as Forum/Mailinglist not only for
English but it could be for any Mailinglist! Well how many people has the
mailinglist daily. Everyone answering to here should first think about how he
actually helped the typo3.org website or TYPO3 community to make TYPO3 more
known and better available!
In the sailingclub I was years ago we had simply times we had to help or Give those
people who help reward points for each hour spend. The benefit could be i.e. to get
listed. Forvsure all those " Integrators" present their Integrator certificate
everywhere, but what does it actually say?
Perhaps this
1. As a TYPO3 Integrator i can use a product without helping to get this
product running for the community which needs this product to
2. As a TYPO3 Integrator i don't care sommuch about the community needs, i.e..
to get others better known about TYPO3 using this new FudForum.
3. As a german speaking TYPO3 Integrator i try to keep all people who can not
speak other languages than our T3Language German
Etc pp.
But what about this. Make it like the Pilots and start checking your TYPO3
Integrators every year. This coul bringblots of financial resources to even
employ or sponsor those who are not TYPO3 Itegrators but not only knowledgable
in TYPO3 but also very willing to help.
Lets say you can present you TYPO3 Integrator certificate also in the next year
to your customers if you either help 5 half days a year for developing TYPO3
core, website, training and dokumentation. - exclude extension development
itself. or pay the eqivalent price in Euro for 20 hours of work a year!
Check how many Integrators you have. Take the ratio of how many Integrators are
already helping, muliply the rest with the 20 Hour equivalent in Euro. You will
soon realize that most of those TYPO3 Certificate Paper Tigers will be
willingly pay and now you can support those who are willing to help and give
them i.e. a listing with star for actively helping TYPO3 in 2012 etc. Or a
dollar sign for actively funding. Than customers could see the difference of
TYPO3 Integrators much easier and get involved people.
"Together" TYPO3 could be much more powerful but the current attitude of the
decision makers is simply a complete blocker!
Andi
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On 15 ก.ค. 2555, at 15:43, Steffen Gebert <steffen.geb...@typo3.org> wrote:
Okay, as nobody of the people "offering" their help really does any work, I
guess we will not have a forum in the near future.
Very sad. I expected more community power from people not being involved in a
lot of teams already.
Kind regards
Steffen
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Am 5/14/12 3:20 PM, schrieb Steffen Gebert:
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Dear Thomas, dear Andreas,
as also mentioned in this thread, there is a concrete plan to have an
official TYPO3 forum since last year's typo3.org relaunch week.
One prerequisite was that this forum stays in sync with newsgroups and
mailing lists. The good thing is that there is a nice software out
there, which makes this possible: FUDforum.
The only problem is that the person in charge isn't able to finish this
project (in a short-term scale). I did some improvements around
Christmas, however I also have already a lot of other responsibilities
inside the TYPO3 project.
Technically, everything is working fine already. The only problems,
which remain is that there are still a lot of design issues - we have a
PSD template, which "only" has to be implemented.
Andreas, what about getting your hands dirty and finishing the forum? I
really think that it is not too much work left and it would be very nice
to *finally* have this forum.
Would you be available to do this? If yes, please send me your SSH key
and I will give you access to the development server (and a short
introduction).
If no one of you jumps in to finish and maintain that project, I see no
way to have it in production much before the end of the year.
Kind regards
Steffen
BTW: Please don't use http://forumdev.typo3.org
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On 14.05.12 13:06, Thomas Skierlo wrote:
Hi everybody,
I'm a German living in the Netherlands, who prefers to discuss technical
matters in English forums and lists. I'm a participating on this list
for about two month now, and I like the friendliness and quality of it
very much.
All official TYPO3 documentation is in English and the product localizes
extremely well. I think that many people, like me before, do not
subscribe to mailing lists, mainly because they are looking for other
forms of information first, like discussion forums, which might be a
more modern approach -- at least a more convenient one.
One major aspect of a forum is the fact, that beginners get good hints,
mainly from other, more advanced beginners and intermediates. A forum
therefore could help to keep the very basic questions out of the mailing
lists, which always will cover more advanced topics.
If you use Google for some usage statistics you'll find out that TYPO3's
acceptance is extremely good for the German (or similar) language
countries, like Austria, Switzerland, the Netherlands, and it's
popularity and installation-count is decreasing outside the EU and
Scandinavian countries. Imagine yourself a young turkish CMS developer,
who wants to learn more about TYPO3. Besides the official documentation
he or she would hunt for information in Turkish or English language, but
definitely no in German.
Today we have two well administrated and lively forums in German
language and, at least after my short research, not even one in English.
Other users and I suggested an "English" section for the most active
German TYPO3 forum at http://www.typo3forum.net
<http://www.typo3forum.net/> , and the makers behind it would agree to
open one (or more), if it would really be of general interest.
I was asked to discuss this matter on the mailing list -- voilà. I'm a
plain user of the forum mentioned, and not an owner or maker of it
Would you like to have an English language subsection on this popular
forum - not as an alternative to this excellent mailing list, but as an
addition? If yes, which structure should it have?
All of you who can read German will find the active discussion under
http://www.typo3forum.net/forum/aenderungen/49716-typo3-forum-englisch.html.
Use this thread as well if you like.
TIA for any feedback,
Thomas Skierlo
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