Reading some of posts on this one, I had to throw my 2 cents in here. I agree with Brian's concept that MV *IS* a vibrant, modern technology capable of doing all the things the other environments do. For the past 3 years now, I have been exclusively doing .Net development with Oracle and SQL backends. This after 20 years as a MV developer.
The real problem as I see it lies in marketing, tool sets and the skills of those of us left still carrying the mantle. After becoming quite well versed in PL-SQL and Oracle, I can say from experience that it is fairly similar, probably more cumbersome, AND NOT GUI. Avoiding the arguments of the pros and cons of SQL databases vs MV(there are many and I've come to appreciate the integrity levels of the SQL databases over MV), the big difference is how SQL Server/Oracle/Sybase etc. are marketed, the integration with modern tools and the lack of skill of many MV experts to integrate the modern tools with MV. I think the days of developing MV with character interfaces are a complete dead end. Anyone doing any new development that way is providing a disservice to their target audience. It's building new obsolescence. They are deemed old from the start and the 1st targets for replacement no matter how functional they are. The key today is n-tier design where your options are where is your data, business logic and presentation. MV is *DEAD* on the presentation side. It can however, be an excellent repository for data and your business logic. That's what the SQL guys do. Data repositories and some business logic. The real business stuff is in Java or some .Net language and likely the same for the presentation layer. MV and especially U2 can follow that exact model as the hooks have been there for quite a while. The fact that we don't as a community has contributed to the continued attrition of our market. Mike Randall, MCP -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Leach Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 7:38 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: MV Books (Formerly: [U2] Incubator - News from the board) Mark Please don't feel my reply to your 'DOS-like' post was an attack. It absolutely wasn't. I just get frustrated that we - as a community - don't seem willing to spread the word that this IS a vibrant and modern technology, but seem to glory (and sometims wallow) in its past. Sometimes it seems we are embarrassed to proclaim how good and up-to-date it really is, and take refuge in our history when we should be trying to reach out. ------- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
