Disagree Blair, it IS important for CPEs, especially in 2.4Ghz to have better interference controls. We are have issues where subscribers have multiple 2.4Ghz devices in broadcast mode. The issue is... you shoot home in 2.4Ghz (10-20 CW), you have a router in 2.4Ghz (20 CW), then maybe one or two more in large home... then the teen turns his IPhone...
Another issue is our CPE is on fixed channels, for channel planning, but if it is a customer that turns everything on and off, and router comes up first, it grabs a nearby channel to incoming CPE. Our fixed channels are not always 1,6,12... because of multiple towers in a region. So the CPE may be on like 2432, because that is the only thing available at tower... and that increases chances of interference at a home with multiple broadcast units. I would think that Prism will be great for these common issues... at the CPE. Shoot, for routers! On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:16 PM, Blair Davis <the...@wmwisp.net> wrote: > AirPrism was/is supposed to return to us the benefits, (adjacent channel > rejection, improved sensitivity), of the original dual superheterodyne > Hermes I and Intersil Prism II chipsets as opposed to the current direct > conversion Atheros chipsets. > > I don't see a major use for it in clients, but for an AP, it could be > worth quite a bit to me. > > I'm currently using cavity filters on my multi-AP towers to prevent > co-channel interference in 2.4GHz. This, of course, destroys my frequency > agility. > > Just for the fun of it, I went over and played with some old Intersil > cards I still have around. > > I can run 3 AP's on 1,6 and 11 using those old cards and get full speed > thru them all in the same room... That just doesn't work with the newer > cards... > > I really hope this works the way we need it to... > > To Ben: > > I'd be interested in testing the 2.4GHz gear in a fairly tough environment > here if you have need... > > -- > > > > > > On 12/10/2014 10:06 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote: > > Well, these have the AirPrism chip. I don't remember the other having it.. > > Regards, > Chuck > > On Dec 10, 2014, at 9:16 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@spitwspots.com> wrote: > > Multi-lane-Rf != airprism? > > I'm pretty sure I was told by people at Ubiquiti that it was the same > thing, just kind of an "Earlier Version" type thing. Is that not correct? > > josh reynolds :: chief information officer > spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com > > On 12/10/2014 05:08 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote: > > No, that wasn't the hardware. > > Regards, > Chuck > > On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 7:05 PM, Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net> > wrote: > >> Didn't they already do this? I though the UAP Outdoor plus was the beta >> hardware for this? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] >> On >> Behalf Of Philip Dorr >> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 2:44 PM >> To: Ubiquiti Users Group >> Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs >> >> Are the 2.4Ghz AC going to be down converted 5.8Ghz radios, or is someone >> developing a custom chip? >> >> On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Ben Moore <ben.mo...@ubnt.com> wrote: >> > They will be staggered...Many of the AC products are just being >> > released...so it will be staggered. >> > >> > On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Rory Conaway >> > <r...@triadwireless.net> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Ben, is that the same timeline as the rest of the Powerbeam/Nanobeam >> >> DFS like end of the first quarter of 2015? I’m really trying to >> >> schedule stuff but this issue is hanging me up. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> rory >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org >> >> [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] >> >> On Behalf Of RickG >> >> Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 11:56 PM >> >> >> >> >> >> To: Ubiquiti Users Group >> >> Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Ben Moore via wispa.org >> >> >> >> 3:17 PM (10 hours ago) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> We already have these in transit. I would expect DFS to be available >> >> on these early next year. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The NanoBeams do not have DFS yet...but they will. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 1:12 AM, Rory Conaway >> >> <r...@triadwireless.net> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> I might have missed this but does the AC product line support U-NII 1 >> >> and DFS? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org >> >> [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] >> >> On Behalf Of Ben Moore >> >> Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 5:42 PM >> >> To: Ubiquiti Users Group >> >> Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Yeah, performance with AC is priority # 1. You can see current >> >> performance with PTMP from Chuck's post. Another should be posted >> >> shortly. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> There are some really cool enhancements/features with 7.1/AC. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:38 PM, Kees H <wi...@calbroadband.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> Some here, don't look back a new day is breakin'. >> >> >> >> I assume the backward compatibility will result in a performance hit. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Thank you Ben! I know a lot of people want backwards compatibility... >> >> but I for one want forwards movement! Even if it ultimately means no >> >> backwards compatibility. >> >> >> >> On 12/9/14, 3:21 PM, Ben Moore wrote: >> >> > Backwards compatibility is planned, but will be some time before >> >> > being implemented (will ask team for update on timeline). There >> >> > are a lot of features/products that will go into AC prior to adding >> >> > backwards compatibility (making sure these are solid first before >> >> > adding more variables). >> >> > >> >> > On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Steve Barnes <st...@pcswin.com >> >> > <mailto:st...@pcswin.com>> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > Ben, I asked before but haven’t gotten word, can you speak to the >> >> > Backwards compatibility of the new units?____ >> >> > >> >> > __ __ >> >> > >> >> > *Steven Barnes____* >> >> > >> >> > GM____ >> >> > >> >> > PCSWIN.com____ >> >> > >> >> > Howard LLC.____ >> >> > >> >> > __ __ >> >> > >> >> > *From:*ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org >> >> > <mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org> >> >> > [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org >> >> > <mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org>] *On Behalf Of *Ben Moore >> >> > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 09, 2014 3:14 PM >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group >> >> > *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs____ >> >> > >> >> > __ __ >> >> > >> >> > Yes, difference is airprism...and the fact that this one is PTP >> >> > locked (the lite will do both PTMP and PTP).____ >> >> > >> >> > __ __ >> >> > >> >> > On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 12:45 PM, Mathew Howard < >> mat...@litewire.net >> >> > <mailto:mat...@litewire.net>> wrote:____ >> >> > >> >> > Yes, the spectrum analyzer is quite nice... even if the only >> >> > Rocket I have that it works on is sitting on my desk. :p >> >> > >> >> > So is the only difference with this new Rocket AirPrism, or >> are >> >> > there other changes as well? ____ >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> > ----- >> >> > >> >> > *From:*ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org >> >> > <mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org> >> >> > [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org >> >> > <mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org>] on behalf of Ben >> Moore >> >> > [ben.mo...@ubnt.com <mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com>] >> >> > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 09, 2014 1:27 PM____ >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group >> >> > *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs____ >> >> > >> >> > __ __ >> >> > >> >> > ;-) I think you guys will really like the new SW tools being >> >> > added (especially the persistent spectrum analyzer...lots >> that >> >> > can be done with that). Will send out some details shortly >> on >> >> > PTMP networks in the wild ;)____ >> >> > >> >> > __ __ >> >> > >> >> > On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 12:24 PM, Mathew Howard >> >> > <mat...@litewire.net <mailto:mat...@litewire.net>> >> >> > wrote:____ >> >> > >> >> > ha... I just Rocket and PowerBeam and assumed they were >> the >> >> > same ones. I guess I should actually read stuff. This is >> >> > what happens when you don't make new stuff look different >> >> > :p >> >> > ____ >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> > ----- >> >> > >> >> > *From:*ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org >> >> > <mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org> >> >> > [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org >> >> > <mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org>] on behalf of Mike >> >> > Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.net >> >> > <mailto:wispaubntus...@ics-il.net>] >> >> > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 09, 2014 1:22 PM >> >> > *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group >> >> > *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs____ >> >> > >> >> > Oh, so the non-Lite Rocket. Sorry. >> >> > >> >> > The e-mail didn't really make it clear that there were >> new >> >> > things, just the same platform hype we had 14 months >> ago. I >> >> > didn't read it all, just skimmed it because it didn't >> look >> >> > any different. >> >> > >> >> > Ooooohhh, so the PtMP works now with the new >> >> > software?____ >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ----- >> >> > Mike Hammett >> >> > Intelligent Computing Solutions >> >> > http://www.ics-il.com >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+Intellige >> >> > ntComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intell >> >> > igent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>____ >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> > ----- >> >> > >> >> > *From: *"Ben Moore" <ben.mo...@ubnt.com >> >> > <mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com>> >> >> > *To: *"Ubiquiti Users Group" <ubnt_users@wispa.org >> >> > <mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org>> >> >> > *Sent: *Tuesday, December 9, 2014 1:20:19 PM >> >> > *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs____ >> >> > >> >> > The 3 new products announced today: ____ >> >> > >> >> > __ __ >> >> > >> >> > R5AC-PTP - Rocket w/AirPrism, PTP only____ >> >> > >> >> > NBE-5AC-19 - 19dB NanoBeam____ >> >> > >> >> > PBE-5AC-620 - 620mm PowerBeam____ >> >> > >> >> > __ __ >> >> > >> >> > Also, all of the software updates:____ >> >> > >> >> > __ __ >> >> > >> >> > http://www.ubnt.com/broadband/software/____ >> >> > >> >> > __ __ >> >> > >> >> > Some highlights:____ >> >> > >> >> > __ __ >> >> > >> >> > - Dedicated spectrum analysis (persistent)____ >> >> > >> >> > - CINR (Carrier to Interference and Noise Ratio - >> accurate >> >> > assessment of channel conditions____ >> >> > >> >> > - New diagnostic tools (Ethernet Cabling test, RF >> >> > Diagnostics, etc...)____ >> >> > >> >> > - PTMP enabled on R5AC-LITE____ >> >> > >> >> > __ __ >> >> > >> >> > The R5AC-PTMP (AirPrism AP) will be announced >> >> > shortly.____ >> >> > >> >> > __ __ >> >> > >> >> > Thanks,____ >> >> > >> >> > Ben____ >> >> > >> >> > __ __ >> >> > >> >> > On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 12:11 PM, Mathew Howard >> >> > <mat...@litewire.net <mailto:mat...@litewire.net>> >> >> > wrote:____ >> >> > >> >> > We have a couple of links up... I haven't really >> seen >> >> > any problems with them. >> >> > >> >> > I think the NanoBeam AC might be new... at least I >> >> > hadn't seen it before, but otherwise, no, nothing >> >> > new.____ >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> > ----- >> >> > >> >> > *From:*ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org >> >> > <mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org> >> >> > [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org >> >> > <mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org>] on behalf of >> >> > Mike >> >> > Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.net >> >> > <mailto:wispaubntus...@ics-il.net>] >> >> > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 09, 2014 1:07 PM >> >> > *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group >> >> > *Subject:* [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs____ >> >> > >> >> > For those of you that have them... are they >> >> > working well? >> >> > >> >> > Was there anything new in their announcement today? >> It >> >> > didn't seem like it.____ >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ----- >> >> > Mike Hammett >> >> > 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