Varies somewhat on features and antennas.

Last alfoplus2 quote I got for 2ft antennas, dual cores opened full modulation 
was about 19K.

Yah, a LOT higher, but, in my view, when you get to the point where you NEED 
that much backhaul, you are probably COINING money (as we are).

So, I don't necessarily go with the lowest initial cost anymore. I look at some 
other things as well, TCO, reliability, service (SIEA has been phenomenal 
there) etc.

14k extra amortized make only a few dollars a month difference on the bottom 
line and I sleep a whole lot better with carrier grade equipment in place.

I realize my argument may not be convincing to everyone, that's what makes 
America great! (:)
Still, the waste of a very, very precious resource seems almost unforgivable.

JP

On Thu, 13 Apr 2017 09:59:41 -0700, mike.lyon wrote
> Whats the rough cost for one of those SiAE links?
> 
> On Apr 13, 2017, at 09:56, J Portman <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> 
> Yah, B11 is 50% (or less) as efficient as is possible. 
> 
> For real data throughput and spectral efficiency, you can't beat something 
> like SIAE AlfoPlus2 (4096) qam at 80MHZ) and can run XPIC so only using ONE 
> frequency pair to push well over a gig with sub-millisecond latency. Sure, 
> costs more, but YGWYPF.
> 
> YMWDV,
> JP
> 
> On Thu, 13 Apr 2017 11:25:14 -0500, Adair Winter wrote
> > And trashes the 11g spectrum. Put a real radio up
> > 
> > On Apr 13, 2017 11:21 AM, "Tommy Adams" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > 
> > No experience with the AF11, but the B11 will give you every bit of 1 gig. 
> > We put one up 4 months ago, no rain fade and it really moved the data. 
> > 
> > --------------------------------
> > Tommy A.
> > Digitex.com
> > 
> > 817.558.6230 V
> > 817.558.1204 F
> > 
> > On Apr 13, 2017, at 11:05 AM, Tim-GM <[email protected]> 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Will have techs test at tower
> > Thanks for feedback
> >  
> > We plan on moving or adding 11ghz for this link 24ghz would be backup.
> > Just not sure if we do ubnt, mimosa, or cambium for the 11ghz
> >  
> >  
> > 
> > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On 
> > Behalf Of Mathew Howard
> > Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 11:36 AM
> > To: Ubiquiti Users Group <[email protected]>
> > Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 24Ghz link Airfiber
> >  
> > 
> > If you're running bandwidth tests from a MikroTik, I doubt that anything 
> > less than a CCR is going to be able to handle a 700Mbps TCP test. In my 
> > experience, if an AF24 is showing full capacity (770Mbps), it will do 
> > 700Mbps consistently.
> > 
> > We have an inactive AF24 link (it was replaced with 11ghz because of rain 
> > fade issues, but we left the AF24 there for a spare), with a CCR1009 at one 
> > end and an RB1100AHx2 at the other end - running a receive test from the 
> > CCR, I consistently get 680-700Mbps, but the other direction it's very 
> > inconsistent but probably averages about 100Mbps (keep in mind these 
> > routers do have around 300Mbps of traffic going through the other link 
> > while this is running).
> > 
> > 
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> > 
> > From: [email protected] [[email protected]] on behalf 
> > of Shawn C. Peppers [[email protected]]
> > Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 10:04 AM
> > To: Ubiquiti Users Group
> > Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 24Ghz link Airfiber
> > 
> > Im not sure i get 700 mbps test across a few of mine either when running 
> > tcp.  I do however hit 600+ at peak times.  Like Adair stated, its likely 
> > either the routers just are not accurately handling the bandwidth test, you 
> > have errors on the ethernet link or some other variable.
> > 
> > Shawn C. Peppers 
> > 
> > Video Direct
> > 
> > 866-680-8433 Toll Free
> > 
> > http://www.video-direct.tv
> > 
> > 
> > On Apr 13, 2017, at 9:49 AM, Tommy Adams <[email protected]> wrote:
> > 
> > Your numbers are almost identical to one of our links.  Pulling a TCP 
> > bandwidth test from a CCR1009 plugged in on each side we get 700 megs.  We 
> > use the CCR1009 to bond two backhauls together for failover when it rains.  
> > Anyone telling you these things do not fail in the rain is crazy or lives 
> > in the dessert.  
> >  
> > If you have a Mikrotik router behind it, you can do a bandwidth test to 
> > btest.planetcoop.com user/pass: btest. This is s public testing server 
> > setup by a nice ISP in northern US.
> >  
> > Tommy
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > --------------------------------------------------
> > Tommy Adams
> > Network Administrator
> > Digitex.com
> >  
> > 817.558.6230 V
> > 817.558.1204 F
> >  
> >  
> > 
> > From: <[email protected]> on behalf of Tim-GM 
> > <[email protected]>
> > Reply-To: Ubiquiti Users Group <[email protected]>
> > Date: Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 9:43 AM
> > To: 'Ubiquiti Users Group' <[email protected]>
> > Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 24Ghz link Airfiber
> > 
> >  
> > UDP around 653meg
> >  
> > But that has NO value.
> >  
> >  
> > 
> > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On 
> > Behalf Of Shawn C. Peppers
> > Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 10:36 AM
> > To: Ubiquiti Users Group <[email protected]>
> > Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 24Ghz link Airfiber
> >  
> > 
> > Must be something else messing with it.  How are you bandwidth testing?  
> > Try a UDP test. 
> > 
> > Shawn C. Peppers
> > 
> > Video Direct
> > 
> > 866-680-8433 Toll Free
> > 
> > http://www.video-direct.tv
> > 
> > 
> > On Apr 13, 2017, at 9:24 AM, Tim-GM <[email protected]> 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > <image001.png>
> >  
> > 
> > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On 
> > Behalf Of Shawn C. Peppers
> > Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 10:16 AM
> > To: Ubiquiti Users Group <[email protected]>
> > Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 24Ghz link Airfiber
> >  
> > 
> > What does the capacity show? 
> > 
> > Shawn C. Peppers
> > 
> > Video Direct
> > 
> > 866-680-8433 Toll Free
> > 
> > http://www.video-direct.tv
> > 
> > 
> > On Apr 13, 2017, at 9:06 AM, Tim-GM <[email protected]> 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > Just noticed airlink at 33db says 500
> > At 38 db says 728
> >  
> > The airfiber maximum power is 33db
> >  
> > Can this power be increased on the airfiber?
> >  
> > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On 
> > Behalf Of Adair Winter
> > Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 8:48 AM
> > To: Ubiquiti Users Group <[email protected]>
> > Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 24Ghz link Airfiber
> >  
> > 
> > If the capacity graph says 760Mb, that's what he's got. and the only 
> > channel option is 100Mhz.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 7:44 AM, Adam Greene <[email protected]> wrote:
> > 
> > How much spectrum (channel width) did you allocate to the link?
> >  
> >  
> > 
> > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On 
> > Behalf Of Nate Burke
> > Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 8:26 AM
> > To: Ubiquiti Users Group <[email protected]>
> > Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 24Ghz link Airfiber
> >  
> > Same here, with the AF24 line, always see full throughput.  Is it possible 
> > the routers on the ends can't handle the throughput?  Especially if they 
> > are generating the traffic for the Bandwidth test. 
> > 
> > On 4/13/2017 7:22 AM, Adair Winter wrote:
> > 
> > we move 700+Mb easily over our air fibers. how are you testing?
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 7:14 AM, Tim-GM <[email protected]> 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > Installed our first AirFiber link 3.62 miles
> >  
> > DB numbers 65-66 match the airlink model
> > We have them set at full duplex
> > All indications are a 764-759 meg link
> >  
> > Yet our TCP-IP throughput is 300-330meg 
> >  
> > Any thoughts on why?
> >  
> > The signal have solid colors for each chain on both sides
> >  
> > What are your experiences
> >  
> > 
> >  

> >   
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