Samuel Thibault wrote: > Krister Ekstrom, le Tue 10 Oct 2006 14:13:09 +0200, a écrit : >> Yes and it's sad because unix/Linux is a powerful system but unless >> it doesn't get user friendlier, which it works on, it's gonna be >> kinda hard to convinse windows folks to leave Windows... > I'm talking about unix, not gnome. You can very well be a windows > folk using a GNU/Linux system through gnome, you won't need to have > the unixish way of thinking. Hmm, let me insert a couple of comments. FIrst of all, the text-based LInux philosophy isn't quite as good as one might initially think. There seem to be about a zillion app specific config file formats out there and the general attitude is that the user is perfectly capable and willing to invest the time and effort to write his or her configs. A unified config file format would be good and OK for quick hacks, but the DOS attitued is that a textual frontend is always preferrable to config files. Again these are user culture differences.
personally, I've got a practical attitude to computing. I use the OS because it's got software I need for doing stuff e.g. driving MIDI synths, recording multi-track audio or word processing to mention a few things. ARe there any accessible MIDI sequencers for Linux that have a GUI, for example? Something akin to QWS the Quick WIndows Sequencer would be preferrable and I wouldn't mind scripting either. In this context of using applications, editing configs can seem pointless unless it means concrete productivity or performance boostts e.g. less visual clutter, the ability to remove media directly or lower audio latency etc... Personally, I think you cannot rely on Gnome full time if you've got any special requirements like accessibility. In no time, you must work in the console and deal with cryptic commands and imposed Unix philosophy. I'm beginning to feel that LInux isn't quite ready for mainstream blind folks just yet. Accessibility is one big thing: basic Gnome apps have quite bad issues, GTK 2 and the up-coming QT4 are the only accessible libs and there are lots of folk who seem to think all blind folks like a command-language best. I'm not part of that lot, for example, and am not the only one. The reason why I installed Linux this time was to do development work in it as I'm attending a Unix programming course using Gnome. One reason for staying in the console is that I haven't found graphical development tools yet. Eclipse appears to use some custom Java GUI and I'd be positively surprised if that's accessible with Orca. Any tools you could recommend for writing C-apps and editing Gnome GUis? By the way, I've been looking into simple console editors lately and neither Nano nor Joe is quite as interactive as I'd like. My DOS memories include ASCII-graphical menubars and menus, arrow based commands for marking lines of text and MODAL dialogs for setting colors, opening or saving files and so on. Is this level of interactivity and visual feedback too much to ask from a console Linux app, <smile>. I'm waiting for some Orca bugs to be fixed and apparently need to work in the console. Speaking of Orca, someone just filed the bug I reported here about Gnome panel crashing. Excellent. -- With kind regards Veli-Pekka Tätilä ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Accessibility, game music, synthesizers and programming: http://www.student.oulu.fi/~vtatila/ -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list [email protected] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
