Álvaro Medina Ballester wrote:
Hi!!! I'm agree with jmak and Jan, transparent panel makes
less readable everything but, yes, first impression can be cool. But if
we put it in Edgy because it's cool we're going very wrong. Let me
explain some short reasons:
1.- First of all, the gnome panel,
the 'start' Windows bar, the Finder bar and the KDE bar are the unique
element that always (or almost always) remains in the desktop. You can
open 10 apps, later close 5, open 2 and finally close all. The panel is
always there. It can sound silly but it's real. The panel is an element
that remains fixed and I
think that it needs to transmit the idea that is something solid or something stable. Everything starts in the
panel, you have application launchers, clock, etc. It's a very
important piece of the desktop, why making it look like water or
something flimsy? I think
that the idea of making the panel solid (without transparent looks) can
help the user to get a better experience and also enhaces the
importance of a basic piece of gnome.
2.- As Petr told us, we have to keep the contrast between the panel and
the background. How can we do it with a transparent panel?. Making it
less transparent or giving a special texture like GlassPanel proposal.
Solutions? It's difficult but making a good texture that ensures that
all the text or icons are readable could be one. But I find that the
greatest solution could be the less transparent solution. Now I'm
looking the GlassPanel and if you have a dark background you cannot
read the clock or the applications menu, so it should work only for
light wallpapers. Again, less transparency is needed.
3.- This is the last point but is simillar to 1st one. Now I'm reading
some pdf's and I want to read it fullscreen. Now imagine envice (or
Nautilus or another application), fullscreen view, and gtk and metacity
look is solid or not transparent but the panel is
transparent or GlassPanel for example. First of all, if we are trying
to integrate the panel and the human theme this is not the solution, is
completely opposite. If the panel is transparent, the window border
sould be transparent even so the workspace of the app would be the main
element of the desktop, not the panel as it should be. That was the
last one, the significance of the panel would be decreased with the
transparent look.
4.- As Jan and others told, transparent looks make less readable
everything.
So, I think that the solution is give the panel a similar look to the
gtk/metacity or compiz theme (of course not transparent). Yes,
transparent is cool, but I'm sure that you will get tired of it in few
days. It's cool but not as useful as not transparent look. Also my
proposal is make the panel look solid
or metal according to the 1st
point I've explained before.
So I would like to apologize because my english is quite bad and
explaining this impressions is difficult for me. Sorry, I'm trying to
improve!!! If you don't understand something please let me know!!!
This was a very clear statement and well written - thank you!
My only addition would be that I would definitely like to see the Panel
look "special" and not just like any other application menu. I agree it
needs to be SOLID, because it is always there, but it needs to look
more attractive than just an app-menu.
Mark
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