Sure I see what you are saying, I am no professional so I dont expect things I say to be the best available advice, however this happens to be the way I quite like to use my notification area (I always thought of it as a "background programs" area, one of the many disadvantages of having learned things without any formal instruction is that some assumptions can be made badly... Either way, I'm not offended, I am infact quite happy to see someone has taken the time to try and think through my ideas. Anyhow this is why ubuntu is designed by a community, not me on my own!
Anyhow best wishes Jonathan On 09/02/2008, Álvaro Medina Ballester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 2008/2/9, Webmaster, Jhnet.co.uk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > "It also encourages an idea of keeping processes running even when > > windows are closed, which is really the only feature necessary to be as > > "intutive" as the OSX dock." > > > > This is a feature that I know some people find valuable (especially for > > things like media players, downloads and what-not but for every day use (and > > more relevantly for users who don't really understand whats going on - > > i.e. they are just pressing buttons that just so happen to make their > > computer print letters) and adding this particular feature will lead to > > confusion. > > > > Sorry, I don't want to be offensive but... Are you from the past? > I mean, keeping open apps in system tray? Ubuntu really needs to back to > 90's gui's? Have you ever used Windows? > > Keeping open apps in the system tray (with that do you mean notification > area, top panel right, really?) is one of the _worst_ desktop metaphors. > Notification area is... notification area! Why mixing open apps with > notification icons like clock, wifi, volume...? And then you say that we > should not lead users (new users) to confusion. > > I think that this ideas comes from a very _very_ strong Windows culture. > And Ubuntu is not an should not be a clon of Windows XP (OS X clon either). > If Windows or Mac does something well, we can discuss it and if it's a good > idea we can implement it. But we don't have to copy something because new > users would feel familiar with Ubuntu desktop, that would be a big mistake. > > Taking back the discussion. 6 or 7 years ago I was a convinced Windows > 98/XP user. I loved Winamp, I loved Winamp icon in the tray bar. Nowadays, a > lot of Windows applications put their icon in the system tray. Nowadays I've > studied computer science and gui design in my career. One of the big > mistakes of user interfaces is mixing things that are completely not > related. Notification is not related with open apps. > > What Dylan McCall was trying to say is that in OS X there is a tree > structure in the gui design. Root node is the application and then each > application has several childrens (windows) and each window can have another > children (floating window). In my opinion this is the correct way to > represent open apps. Why? because the app "pipe" is: > > Processes -> Windows -> Secondary windows > > > This pipe design delivers a good design that solves several gui problems. > First problem solved is that window selector like Windows bar is no longer > needed. Instead, this model has app selector, wich is very useful if some > apps have several windows (think in The Gimp at this moment). Second problem > is that having app selector instead window selector is better if you have a > lot (6 or more) windows opened. It's even easier to distinguish what do you > want to select because you have to look directly for the application, not to > all the windows, and you have less items to look for so you can search it > quickly. Third problem solved is that now app selector and app launcher can > be merged so many space can be saved. > Sorry for my english and sorry if you felt attacked, that was not my > intention. I just want people to break their Windows thinking and start > believeing that maybe users would need a very short period of adaptation to > Ubuntu's gui. And if that period is a little longer but then becomes more > useful that would be the right way. > > This discussion is _very_ interesting, please keep posting ideas. > > > Cheers. > > > > -- > Álvaro. > > -- > ubuntu-art mailing list > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art > >
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