On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 5:08 PM, coz DS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 2:12 PM, Thorsten Wilms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On Mon, 2008-08-04 at 12:09 -0500, Matthew Nuzum wrote: >> >> > We need to be careful to avoid putting too many barriers in place. >> > Nothing stifles creativity and enthusiasm more than getting hit with a >> > laundry list of rules and regulations you must comply with (well, >> > except maybe getting caught up in a flame over them). >> >> The chaos we have leads to nowhere. >> Enthusiasm that burns so faintly it doesn't even survive being told >> about rules that are strictly designed to make the live of mailing list >> recipients easier is worth nothing, because that's all it will lead to: >> nothing (but words). >> >> > I'm always eager to hear new ideas and thoughts on this list. However >> > I am really tired of rants about etiquette. Every day I deal with >> > people who don't know that its best to trim posts or reply below the >> > original message. Its not my job to educate them, I simply lead by >> > example. >> >> You cannot lead if no one follows. >> >> What I'm tired about is single line replies combined with quoting whole >> threads. How could one expect anything good regarding artwork, which is >> much about communication, from people who are so ignorant about the work >> others (would) have to invest to read their ... opinions? >> >> > I would suggest that we've probably lost more opportunities to do >> > something great as a team because of this top-posting fascism than >> > probably any other issue we've addressed. >> >> I take issue with you calling this fascism and regarding opportunities, >> I point to my first paragraph. >> >> >> -- >> Thorsten Wilms >> >> thorwil's design for free software: >> http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ >> >> >> -- >> ubuntu-art mailing list >> ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art >> > > Hey guys, > Honestly is this top posting that big of a deal ? > I also use gmail and hit reply. I have no idea if it is top or bottom > posting. > so let me know if this is top or bottom. > Maybe what needs to be done is ONE team in ONE area of the country and ONLY > THAT team be responsible for ALL ubuntu artwork. At least unimportant art > unrelated issues will be omitted. > It would save time with no mailing lists required, and no rules of posting > to get in the way of the important stuff, no mailing list attachments etc > etc etc. > What do you guys think? > I vote that the ONLY art team be located in Pittsburgh , PA USA. > coz > > -- > ubuntu-art mailing list > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art > > The point of having a community-accessible channel is the community part. Having a "core" art team somewhere eliminates the community, forces relocation and requires that everyone there be paid to be there. Even 2 artists at $10/hr for 8 hours a day would cost $160/day, $800 for a 5 day week, $4000 a month, or $48,000 per year.
No self-respecting artist would work for that much, so they would have to be terrible artists to be that cheap. So suck it up, and unless you want to personally spend $48,000+ to not need to follow the top-posting rule... Just don't top post!!! As long as all the old messages are -above- the scrawl of your new messages, mission accomplished! If I can figure it out, anyone can. -Ken Vermette
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