On Aug 4, 2008, at 2:25 PM, "Ken Vermette" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 5:08 PM, coz DS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 2:12 PM, Thorsten Wilms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
On Mon, 2008-08-04 at 12:09 -0500, Matthew Nuzum wrote:
> We need to be careful to avoid putting too many barriers in place.
> Nothing stifles creativity and enthusiasm more than getting hit
with a
> laundry list of rules and regulations you must comply with (well,
> except maybe getting caught up in a flame over them).
The chaos we have leads to nowhere.
Enthusiasm that burns so faintly it doesn't even survive being told
about rules that are strictly designed to make the live of mailing
list
recipients easier is worth nothing, because that's all it will lead
to:
nothing (but words).
> I'm always eager to hear new ideas and thoughts on this list.
However
> I am really tired of rants about etiquette. Every day I deal with
> people who don't know that its best to trim posts or reply below the
> original message. Its not my job to educate them, I simply lead by
> example.
You cannot lead if no one follows.
What I'm tired about is single line replies combined with quoting
whole
threads. How could one expect anything good regarding artwork, which
is
much about communication, from people who are so ignorant about the
work
others (would) have to invest to read their ... opinions?
> I would suggest that we've probably lost more opportunities to do
> something great as a team because of this top-posting fascism than
> probably any other issue we've addressed.
I take issue with you calling this fascism and regarding
opportunities,
I point to my first paragraph.
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Hey guys,
Honestly is this top posting that big of a deal ?
I also use gmail and hit reply. I have no idea if it is top or
bottom posting.
so let me know if this is top or bottom.
Maybe what needs to be done is ONE team in ONE area of the country
and ONLY THAT team be responsible for ALL ubuntu artwork. At least
unimportant art unrelated issues will be omitted.
It would save time with no mailing lists required, and no rules of
posting to get in the way of the important stuff, no mailing list
attachments etc etc etc.
What do you guys think?
I vote that the ONLY art team be located in Pittsburgh , PA USA.
coz
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The point of having a community-accessible channel is the community
part. Having a "core" art team somewhere eliminates the community,
forces relocation and requires that everyone there be paid to be
there. Even 2 artists at $10/hr for 8 hours a day would cost $160/
day, $800 for a 5 day week, $4000 a month, or $48,000 per year.
No self-respecting artist would work for that much, so they would
have to be terrible artists to be that cheap. So suck it up, and
unless you want to personally spend $48,000+ to not need to follow
the top-posting rule... Just don't top post!!! As long as all the
old messages are -above- the scrawl of your new messages, mission
accomplished! If I can figure it out, anyone can.
-Ken Vermette
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Why do we care about top posting again?
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