On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 9:04 PM, Michael Stephenson < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 2008/9/12 Vadim Peretokin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Please do not straw man me, I subscribe to other mailing lists, non of >>> them ubuntu and non are censored. I am not advocating that the mailing list >>> should change, just that team should not be synonymous with the mailing >>> list. >>> >> >> >> Well, then, I resign from this conversation, because I see absolutely zero >> point or helpfulness in doing that. Nor how are you going to accomplish that >> - kick out all non-artists or something? Heh. >> >> -- >> ubuntu-art mailing list >> ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art >> > > It is an art mailing list, what is important is the outcome. Someone could > conceivably create an svg icon in gedit, does that make them less of an > artist than someone who made it in inkscape? No, your argument is another > straw man. The helpfulness is that in every other project the mailing list > doesn't constitute a team, and I don't see any reason that the art team > should be any different, it is a meritocracy after all. > > -- > ubuntu-art mailing list > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art > > The focus of this list is getting off-rails and argumentative; Michael, I agree with some of the points you're making, as well as points Vadim made. Nobody is really wrong, just in the extremes. Nobody likes to look like an idiot, but I'll proceed to look like an idiot, to push ahead a point: When I first started on this list, I joined with the goal of making the default theme. And now that I know more of how everything is Managed, I know now that I'm not going to do it. But I still try to anyway. Do I look like an idiot yet? "The goal of the "Artwork Team" is to produce artwork for the community side of Ubuntu. Mostly, this means the look of the actual distro itself, not promotional or marketing materials. We hope to produce artwork stunning enough that upon first glance, people want to know what Ubuntu is and where to get it." (team wiki) People on this mailing list tend to have a burn-out when they realize that the above quote is a very political quote. This mailing list isn't getting "backstage" with Ubuntu, but it's still official. More or less this mailing list is a community art portal. Canonical is neither obligated nor guaranteed to pull work from the community, but it can if it should decide so. They can hire a third party to make the default theme if that's the desire. This is why I continue to act like an idiot. There might not be a default theme from the list at the end of the day; But it is well worth participating and influencing the direction. The default wallpaper came from this list and the wiki, Breathe icons started here, and countless other details. Consider the huge accomplishment knowing hundreds of thousands, even millions of people might boot up to even just a 32x32 icon you made; and that will let you sleep very well knowing that many people are using something that much better. -Ken Vermette
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