if it is that easy to bring back the old behavior and make the icon
appear again when updates are availble while keeping the new
notification i think it should be done untill rethinking of the concept
will be done

On Fri, 2009-04-03 at 18:58 +0000, ddumont wrote:
> While this will solve *my* problem...    I still think it is a mistake in
> general to annoy regular users with this new behaviour.   More and more
> people are finding out about this, how many people subscribing to this bug
> will it take to force the developers' hands?
> 
> I don't understand the problem with users not understanding what the update
> icon looks like... if anything that signifies a failure at giving the user
> sufficient visual queues to learn about the OS.  For those people who HAVE
> learned about the OS and DO recognize the update icon...  they will miss it
> and be upset...
> 
> Why must you upset them...
> 
> On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Jonathan Davies <
> jon.patrick.dav...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > > Exactly what it do? It says seen that it will not launch automatically
> > 'anything', but I would just
> > > want the old notification behavior where it launch just the 'notification
> > icon' near 'clock, etc.'.
> >
> > That's exactly what the command does, it changes the gconf settings for
> > the update-notifier's auto launching to false - and this brings back the
> > old behaviour of the icon.
> >
> > --
> > [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information
> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/332945
> > You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> > of the bug.
> >
> > Status in Ubuntu Release Notes: New
> > Status in “update-notifier” source package in Ubuntu: Confirmed
> > Status in update-notifier in Ubuntu Jaunty: Won't Fix
> >
> > Bug description:
> > I am referring to the removal up the update-notifier in the Gnome
> > notification area.  The discussion of it is embedded in the thread headed
> > by:
> >
> >  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027416.html
> >
> > Specific messages worth reading are:
> >
> >  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027434.html
> >  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027451.html
> >  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027454.html
> >  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027437.html
> >  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027445.html
> >
> > Matthew Paul Thomas says that the desired behavior is:
> >
> > *   When there are security updates, Update Manager will open and show
> >    them (plus any other available updates) within a day.
> >
> > *   When there are non-security updates, Update Manager will open and
> >    show them *one week* after it was last opened (whether it was last
> >    opened manually or automatically, and regardless of whether updates
> >    were actually installed then).
> >
> > *   When there are no available updates, Update Manager will not open
> >    automatically at all.
> >
> > Desired by whom?  And where was discussion of this change that effects the
> > entire Ubuntu community?  Because some percentage of users don't apparently
> > understand that the notification area has meaning, we are not going to use
> > it for updates?  Chow Loong Jin raised a valid point that if update
> > notification is now done by opening the entire update manager program,
> > perhaps evolution and similar should open their application UIs rather than
> > use the notification area.  And there are concerns about unintended
> > functional consequences of this ill-conceived change, discussed in the
> > thread.
> >
> > Personally, I predict that opening the Update Manager window while people
> > are working will piss off a lot of users when it happens, and may result in
> > them wanting to disable automatic checking.  Yes, that'll be highly
> > desirable, won't it?
> >
> > In other words, this change should be corrected, and a notification icon
> > should be displayed when updates are available.
> >
> 
> -- 
> [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/332945
> You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> of the bug.
> 
> Status in Ubuntu Release Notes: New
> Status in “update-notifier” source package in Ubuntu: Confirmed
> Status in update-notifier in Ubuntu Jaunty: Won't Fix
> 
> Bug description:
> I am referring to the removal up the update-notifier in the Gnome 
> notification area.  The discussion of it is embedded in the thread headed by:
> 
>   https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027416.html
> 
> Specific messages worth reading are:
> 
>   https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027434.html
>   https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027451.html
>   https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027454.html
>   https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027437.html
>   https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027445.html
> 
> Matthew Paul Thomas says that the desired behavior is:
> 
> *   When there are security updates, Update Manager will open and show
>     them (plus any other available updates) within a day.
> 
> *   When there are non-security updates, Update Manager will open and
>     show them *one week* after it was last opened (whether it was last
>     opened manually or automatically, and regardless of whether updates
>     were actually installed then).
> 
> *   When there are no available updates, Update Manager will not open
>     automatically at all.
> 
> Desired by whom?  And where was discussion of this change that effects the 
> entire Ubuntu community?  Because some percentage of users don't apparently 
> understand that the notification area has meaning, we are not going to use it 
> for updates?  Chow Loong Jin raised a valid point that if update notification 
> is now done by opening the entire update manager program, perhaps evolution 
> and similar should open their application UIs rather than use the 
> notification area.  And there are concerns about unintended functional 
> consequences of this ill-conceived change, discussed in the thread.
> 
> Personally, I predict that opening the Update Manager window while people are 
> working will piss off a lot of users when it happens, and may result in them 
> wanting to disable automatic checking.  Yes, that'll be highly desirable, 
> won't it?
> 
> In other words, this change should be corrected, and a notification icon 
> should be displayed when updates are available.

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