First things first: jucs, can you put a debdiff up here? Or at the very least a patch against current "apt-get source"? Thank you!
On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 20:17:57 -0000 Mat Tomaszewski <mat.tomaszew...@canonical.com> wrote: > Julian, thanks for being the first person who, instead of complaing, > actually did something. Some of us who use the system have full plates and _don't_ have the time to do anything about it. Some of us are working on client-paid work, and use Ubuntu to get our work done. Some of us expect to be able to use our systems. Some of us expect to not be talked down to when filing a bug that is a bug, caused by someone's inability to (not) see what I can't. You know what? I didn't have a problem with notify-osd, the concept. But the sheer arrogance of: * making ubuntu-desktop depend on it, * marking the bug invalid in the first place, assuming that I meant something other than what I said. * not bothering to read the bug (Intrepid is not "an alpha release", it is my previous release and where I expected my settings to be carried from). * That _every_ place that this issue has been brought up that I can find, the person who brings it up gets shot down, even by Mark. > To all others that have spoken: your voice is being heard and is not > ignored. But please have patience - we don't have 300 developers > here, and every piece of software must first be stable, before it can > be upgraded/changed. As a developer who already has _far_ too much on his plate and hasn't looked at the notify-osd package source yet, I can say at least these things: * If the people who wrote it couldn't make this trivial change quickly, it is designed _wrong_. * Your (Canonical's) condescension towards those with visual problems is duly noted since we're just a bunch of complainers anyway. I'm not blind, but I don't have perfect vision, and a large display area. What was *...@canonical.com's response? Hrm. See earlier in this bug. * If the software isn't stable, _why_ is it in a release? It should be postponed for Karmic, if it is not stable. Oh, maybe that Grumpy Groundhog can come out and play if Ubuntu wants rolling development and people to test it. I'd run it if it bloody existed. Well, I would have a year or even six months ago---I don't know that I would anymore. * Your message ignores the issues: - YOUR developers made it hard to uninstall notify-osd. - YOUR developers made it hard to _SEE_ notify-osd, at least for _some_ users (hi, us busy overworked not-quite-blind complainers). - YOUR processes permitted this piece of unstable software (your words, not mine) into a distribution to be released Real Soon Now. Was that a decision to make it so that stability of notify-osd came after code freeze in Ubuntu and we'd be stuck? Was it lack of forethought? I have used Ubuntu on the desktop for a long time because so far it's been a good choice. It's offered me *_choice_*, and it's offered me recent software that I wanted, not ancient stuff like Debian does. While the latter still exists, the former doesn't seem to matter as much to Canonical anymore as it used to. Nor do bug reporters seem to matter to Canonical very much anymore, looking at the live email feed of bugs generally. Your message as well as most of the other @canonical.com messages in this bug, and in other bugs elsewhere for things like regressions and packaging errors show this quite well. Ubuntu has a problem, and it's _far_ bigger than notify-osd. -- The problem with quick and dirty, as some people have said, is that the dirty remains long after the quick has been forgotten. --- Steve McConnell -- notify-osd doesn't honor my preference https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/346095 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs