Hi Bruce,

> Yet again we at upstream were not consulted at all. Thanks for putting
yet another nail in the coffin of upstream collaboration.

I believe the best way to achieve collaboration is communication. As a
representative of upstream, you've been participating in this discussion
all along, so I'd say we've all done a good job.

Phil (who incidentally is also upstream, albeit for gnome docs) has
taken the lead in processing the feedback and proposing a way forward
for an issue that has been in the stage of discussion and blocking the
work of several teams for the past year.

You were saying that if anything was decided you could probably get this
fixed for GNOME 2.32. That's precisely what's happened, a final proposal
has been put forward, no translations have yet been changed in Ubuntu as
far as I know.

If we all agree in the terminology though, and a) the change cannot be
adopted upstream for GNOME 2.32 due to lack of time; b) there are people
in Ubuntu willing to work on this, I'd can see no trouble in adopting a
pragmatic approach and do the change in Ubuntu first. The same Ubuntu
translators might then want to help forwarding these changes upstream.
I'm not a member of the UK team, I'd like to see this sorted as much as
anyone else, and being both an Ubuntu and GNOME translator, I'd be glad
to offer my help in exporting the changes from Ubuntu and commiting them
in git.

> The thing that irks me is that Ubuntu decide to do translation solely
for themselves, but that's a different matter.

Yes, I'd suggest discussing this as a separate topic, and I think the
Ubuntu Translators maililng list
(https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Contact/) would be the best place
for that. You can also find more information on Ubuntu and upstream
translations here:

  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Upstream

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