I've used Ubuntu every day for 7 years and am active in the GNOME
community. The fact that Ubuntu lags one release behind GNOME is
already a significant burden for me. I often spend time building the
newest version of GNOME apps, which can be challenging since Ubuntu's
libraries lag behind.
If Ubuntu stays with 3.8 for Saucy+1 (i.e. starts to lag two releases
behind GNOME), I'd quite possibly switch to Fedora or Debian. Staying
with 3.8 could be fine for most users, especially if Canonical wants to
focus most of its energy on phones and tablets. But for anyone who
wants to use the latest GNOME apps and especially anyone who wants to
contribute to GNOME development, two releases back is just too much.
adam
On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Brian Curtis <bcurti...@ubuntu.com>
wrote:
Hi to all,
I personally think staying at GNOME 3.8 would not be a great decision.
In my opinion Ubuntu is starting to turn into a Redhat. I think it
used to be the leader in the latest and greatest in the community of
free and open source software, and ever since a majority of canonical
has been tasked with touch TODO's it seems more and more scared of
continuing the path with the latest and greatest. This seems true for
the desktop team as well.
GNOME has already released a stable 3.10 and has already started on
3.12. The work that seemed to go into going from 3.6 to 3.8 this
cycle seemed to happen early and was minimal compared to what's been
going on with the touch stuff.
I'm not going to claim to know what workload is entailed with going
to 3.10 next cycle, but what drew me into Ubuntu in the first place
was that it wasn't afraid to have the latest and greatest software
available to all desktop users. I hope that we don't lose that great
aspect of Ubuntu just because the work entailed from touch tasks is
taking over your time.
Thanks,
~Brian Curtis
On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Sebastien Bacher <seb...@ubuntu.com>
wrote:
Hey everyone,
I know this cycle is not finished yet, but in case some of us start
thinking about next cycle, I wanted to start a discussion on the
GNOME version to use for the lts.
I think we should stick with GNOME 3.8 another cycle, here are the
reasons why:
- we (Ubuntu Desktop) are currently mostly happy with what we have
- the focus for the Ubuntu Desktop team is likely to continue to be
Ubuntu Touch/phone next cycle
- due to the previous factor, we are going to be limited in
resources to do desktop work
- it's a LTS cycle, we should focus on bugs fixing if possible
- GTK 3.10 deprecates several options, it would be good to stay away
from those controverses for the LTS
(see https://launchpad.net/bugs/1228886 as an example of what is
going to happen once we deprecate those options)
- it seems like the next RedHat enterprise edition is going to be
based on GNOME 3.8, if that's the case it would make sense for us to
focus on bringing quality to the same version/share the maintainance
work a bit
What do other things? I guess the Ubuntu GNOME Remix is going to
want newer version, we should try to accomodate that need if we can.
One way would be to do the "fork" of gnome-control-center we have
been talking about for a while. Blocking GTK to 3.8 is likely to
make hard to update GNOME components anyway, if we decide to go this
way...
What do others think?
Cheers,
Sebastien Bacher
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