On 02/01/2008, Jonathan Musther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I agree, we don't have any usage stats. Although I was defending VOIP, I > don't know of anybody who has successfully used Ekiga. Wengo is a > possibility (I've been trying it) and it supports IM protocols too so you > can use it for google talk, msn, aim, jabber etc, which is nice.
Much as I don't really want to defend ekiga, I got it working and I know others who did too (on Linux and Windows). I think it has plenty of problems in terms of usability and useful diagnostics when things aren't working (a problem with all of the SIP clients I tried) but it does work. If your setup is relatively straight-forward or you are able to open ports on your firewall then you don't have be SIP expert to get it working - I know nothing about SIP I got it to work by following the docs, F > > On Jan 2, 2008 12:05 PM, Evan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On Dec 31, 2007 11:27 PM, Jonathan Musther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I think it's used widely. And if I think it is, and you think it isn't, > then sensible conclusion to draw is that in some circles it's used widely, > in others it's not. so overall it's used quite a bit. I have to say I don't > know anybody (business owners aside) that uses a finance manager on their PC > - again, that doesn't mean it's not used, but certainly in my experience > it's used less often than a VOIP service. > > > > > > > I don't know anybody that uses VOIP, but I know several people who use > Quicken regularly to manage their personal finances. Again, the conclusion > is that it depends on the type of user. Barring any definite usage > statistics (which I don't think we have), we have a few choices. If the new > compression format makes it into Hardy, we should have lots of room to add > Gnucash and keep Ekiga. If other stuff (like the multiple themes that are > apparently going to be in Hardy) needs more space, perhaps Ekiga should be > first on the chopping block. > > > > If it does come down to a choice between the two, I think that Gnucash > should make it in simply because even if Ekiga is installed by default, too > many users will ignore it and install Skype. While this isn't good because > Skype is closed, it is what most people are using. Ideally we'd include a > multi-format client that can connect to Skype and to open channels (like > Pidgin can connect to MSN, Yahoo, etc.) but as far as I know there isn't > one. > > > > Evan > > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 31, 2007 11:27 PM, Jonathan Musther <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > > > I think it's used widely. And if I think it is, and you think it isn't, > then sensible conclusion to draw is that in some circles it's used widely, > in others it's not. so overall it's used quite a bit. I have to say I don't > know anybody (business owners aside) that uses a finance manager on their PC > - again, that doesn't mean it's not used, but certainly in my experience > it's used less often than a VOIP service. > > > > > > And yes, the VOIP tool which is vastly more popular than any other is > skype - but I don't think we should include it. Ideally what we need to > include is a skype-ish tool, something like wengo (I've not tried wengo). > I've never had any success using ekiga, never. > > > > > > Of course the problem with migrating people from skype to other things > is that they know people on skype. It's like msn messenger, how many people > are linux/FOSS users and use something like pidgin to access an msn account > for instant messaging? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 1, 2008 5:09 PM, Evan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I'm just saying that it isn't used widely enough to be included in the > cd. Certainly leave it in main, but I don't think voip in general is popular > enough (yet) to include a client. A finance manager like Gnucash is much > more likely to be used by the default user. > > > > > > > > Evan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list > > > > Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com > > > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Slingshot - a unique game everyone enjoys - and it's free :-) > > > http://www.slingshot-game.org > > > -- > > > Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list > > > Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com > > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list > > Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss > > > > > > > > -- > Slingshot - a unique game everyone enjoys - and it's free :-) > http://www.slingshot-game.org > -- > Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list > Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss > > -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss