Apologies for breaking threading, i'm not subscribed to this list anymore, as the S/N ratio was too low. However, this part is interesting. Please CC me on any responses to this mail.
Vincenzo writes: "2) Another bug affected me at random (WIFI), and there was nothing I could do about that, and it happened to me other times with other intel cards. I've not been clear perhaps, but the problem is that I was used to have my network card functioning, and one day it just left me without connection - after I moved abroad for one month, not after I upgraded. This is because intel's drivers mostly suck, there is no simpler explanation. They have tons of bugs and corner cases (I can support this by pointing at the number and gravity of LP bugs for them). I want to be able to rely and let others rely on ubuntu so we need to know what works and what not. 3) There are plenty of other hardware regressions by which I am affected and I feel like these should be a bit more acknowledged by developers. Because I can't be the only one." What I'd like to raise - how does one write such a database, when there is no clear-cut answer on whether this card, with this driver, works? Take the intel 3945 card, for example. Vincenzo says it doesn't work for him, under various modes. Various users on the forums have also mentioned that their systems don't work with these cards. However, other users on the forums, mailing lists, and a whole lot of the developers, including myself, have this card, and see that it works for them. I personally haven't seen this break since I upgraded to gutsy back at the UDS in Sevilla, 2007 (ie, pre-alpha 1), and I use WPA, which seems to be one of the areas of complaint, otherwise without problems. The bugs that affect everyone with a particular chipset are often acknowledged, particularly in the release notes. Maybe it would be nice to acknowledge that some people have problems with this card- but that's only some people. You'd be telling a whole lot of other people that their cards may not work, when they actually work just fine. Also, I'd be willing to bet that at least one person has a problems with *every* card in Ubuntu. Does it really make sense to acknowledge them all? How does one generalise that, in a paragraph or two, and it still be useful? Arguably, it would help if the relevant (i presume kernel) developers had access to some of these faulting cards - the ones that do break where people can reproduce it on site seem to get fixed quite quickly. But it's very hard to debug something where you don't have access (and it's quite hard to buy hardware to try to fix it, if only a smallish percentage of cards actually exhibit this buggy behaviour!) Thoughts? Just my 2c. Hobbsee
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