On 06/25/2011 01:40 PM, rosea grammostola wrote:
On 06/25/2011 01:04 PM, rosea grammostola wrote:
On 06/25/2011 12:45 PM, Tony Atkinson wrote:
On Sat, 2011-06-25 at 12:21 +0200, rosea.grammostola wrote:
Ah I like constructive replies.
I should provide you a little background info maybe. Since years
64Studio is the most known company when it comes to the delivering of
(community) distros (and OEM products) optimized for multimedia and
especially proaudio. First they based there (OEM) products on Debian.
But because Ubuntu had those LTS releases, they switched to Ubuntu
instead. They offered the community the 64studio distro, but also made
products like Indamixx http://www.indamixx.com/
But because of problems with Ubuntu they got back to Debian recently,
for building the OpenDAW distro, an optimized community distro for
music
production and sound engineering. One of the reasons for this recent
change was the fact that you can't cleanly remove Pulseaudio from
Ubuntu. Not only 64Studio suffers from this, but also more small
projects like Tango Studio.
I don't really understand this need to "remove pulseaudio"
Why remove it?
I'm by no means an expert, but have dabbled with the various audio
production tailored distros, and it seems very possible to use such
systems with Jack as a primary sound server and Pulse feeding into Jack
when needed
KXStudio (which I've used a fair bit), uses Jack2 for it's main sound
server for the low latency audio apps, and provides Pulseaudio for
other
"traditional desktop" apps
You can simply use the Jack2 GUI tools to "wire up" the different apps.
Prof. audio apps going directly to Jack2
others (Adobe Flash, for example) going through pulseaudio
Pulseaudio feeding into Jack2
I think your issues stem from this (possibly misguided, but as I said,
I'm no expert) belief that you need to remove pulseaudio
I know KXStudio and I wouldn't call it an ideal system for
professional music production / audio engineering (which doesn't say
I couldn't serve some people for that). I don't think the discussion
is whether or not is it possible to disable pulseaudio. There are
many ways to handle this situation, disabling, routing pulse into
JACK etc.. But the question is whether these ways serve experienced /
professional music producers / audio engineers in an optimal way. You
have to accept from me that a group of audio engineers wants to
remove pulseaudio totally, as a matter of fact.
The discussion should be a different one in my opinion.
Why is it possible on Fedora and Debian etc. to remove Pulseaudio and
why not on Ubuntu. How could we fix this.
Maybe also good to explore how Debian and Fedora handles Pulseaudio
with the new Gnome-shell... and how Ubuntu with Unity does it.
\r
"In Fedora pulseaudio is pulled in as a dependency of gnome-shell. By
default pulseaudio hands over control to jack via D-bus. Alternatively
you can sill disable pulseaudio by removing alsa-plugins-pulseaudio" ...
Hmm
Regards,
\r
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