On 6 April 2016 at 22:25, Xen <l...@xenhideout.nl> wrote: > Bryan Quigley schreef op 06-04-16 22:35: >> Hi all, >> >> The naming scheme of just "Ubuntu 14.04.4 LTS" is no longer >> meaningful when it comes to determining what kernel/mesa/xorg you are >> on. It's also confusing to many users what 14.04.4 actually means >> and it makes determining if you are supported more difficult [1]. >> >> I propose for 16.04 we change it so that the HWE# is included in the >> version, so it's trivial to determine the support level. >> >> So for example, if we had done this for 14.04 we would have releases like: >> Ubuntu 14.04.4 LTS - Everyone up-to-date with stock kernel >> Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS HWE15.04 - Out of date with vivid kernel >> Ubuntu 14.04.4 LTS HWE15.04 - Up-to-date with vivid kernel > > Personally I feel that naming scheme is hideous and will confuse even > more people. > > What does HWE even mean? I can look it up, but it is not like it is some > kind of well known acronym or abbreviation. > > (The way I understood it these point releases indeed brought new kernels > in addition to something else. The confusion that I experienced was more > the weird focus on end-of-support dates that was different for every > point release, creating tiers of support that utterly confused me, > particularly because the context with other (newer) versions of the > distribution was not clear. The idea of point releases bringing new > kernels and that "HWE" is not confusing at all. However, if this > dramatically is going to change "end of support" dates, then suddenly it > is not comprehensible anymore --- did it mean that a getting point > release meant less support? > > What I remember is that the point releases had less support, which is > not understandable because they are newer systems. > > Also if a point release actually means newer versions of all software > this is confusing by itself. Creating the ability for new hardware is > easy to understand. But if repos for .3 and .4 are going to be entirely > different, and now you are going to create 2 dimensions: currency of > software, and currency of kernel/HWE and you can mix them at will: that > is not helpful. > > So I would suggest the confusion did not come from the naming scheme. > The confusion came from the fact that these varying levels of support > were incomprehensible. If anything upgrading to a newer kernel should be > recommended and encouraged for the largest part and if anything that > should give the benefit of longer support -- since you are up to date > now, right? > > The fact that 14.04.1 is listed at end of life april 2019 and 14.04.2 is > listed at august 2016 is just utterly confusing. Changing the naming is > not going to help that. > > If these two components have different EOL you can just say so, I'm not > sure if that is the case. > > So if you wanted some thoughts, my thought is that your proposal here > would increase the confusion while not tackling the real issue. > > Regards. >
LTS has 5 years of support. There are multiple kernels available with full 5 year support: - original (from .0 original release & .1 release) - next-lts (from a .5 point release) Intermediate releases backports: - Available in .2; .3; .4 - Supported until .5 release which comes with next-LTS kernel - Upgrade path is to the next LTS release, or to the .5 HWE stack We do send EOL announcements for the HWE kernels. I do not believe we automatically upgrade people from them to the .5 / next-LTS kernel, maybe we should. (or i am wrong, and we totally do it). However in practice, people who use/care about HWE kernels upgrade to the next HWE stack and/or next LTS release quite rapidly. Regards, Dimitri. > > >> etc >> >> This does mean we could decide to provide downloads for both (we do >> have some demand for this): >> Ubuntu 14.04.4 LTS (Stock kernel) >> Ubuntu 14.04.4 LTS HWE1510 (Wily HWE) >> >> And now we can differentiate between them in the same way on the >> download site as in an installed system. >> >> Thoughts? >> Bryan >> >> [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/1204_HWE_EOL >> [2] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases >> > > -- > Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list > Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Regards, Dimitri. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
