Well there always is VMs and separate ubuntu installs for testing without breakages affecting your desktop usage.
--fagan On Thu, 2010-11-18 at 10:47 -0800, Rick Spencer wrote: > In my opinion, for what it is worth, this sounds like an unfortunate, > but necessary trade off. > > I think we will lose a fairly large degree of testing and feedback, by > forcing interested contributors to move Natty so early. However, I think > it's rational to trade that for an increased focus on the ultimate > quality of the new compiz-based unity in Natty and beyond. > > I think we'll get the most useful feedback from people *using* Unity. > So, this means that we'll need to focus on supporting early Natty > adopters, for instance paying more attention to quickly resolving > adoption blocking bugs. > > My $.02 > > Cheers, Rick > > On Thu, 2010-11-18 at 19:25 +0100, Didier Roche wrote: > > Hi everybody, > > > > As some of you may know, there have been some discussions about > > backporting > > "unity compiz" to maverick as we had backported unity to lucid with a > > dedicated ppa and its own session. > > > > However, after some porting discussions and following the natty work I > > think > > we should perhaps consider not doing that because it's going to take > > quite > > some work for a moderated benefit and we would better spend those > > efforts in > > making natty rocking. > > > > Some bits what came from discussions between ubuntu desktop and dx > > teams: > > > > * Why do we want to backport? - usually it's to make easier for users > > to test the new version and give some feedback on it. The first round of > > feedback will be about things not starting, or not working at all or > > crashing, we will get that feedback from the natty users. Later on we > > will want extra eyes on the user experience but by the time we are there > > it will be really hard to backport the new stack due to new depends > > (details on that later). > > * New unity means new compiz which means users will have no working > > desktop left, that's not something we should get our users in. Indeed, > > the new > > compiz is not made to be installed with the old one, the upgrade will > > replace compiz > > 0.8 but has lot of issues still: the configuration is not migrated, the > > keybindings are not working, the workspace layout and switcher are not > > working, the session registration is not working, the desktop capplet > > needs to be updated, the GNOME keybindings capplet is not working. Some > > of those > > issues are fixed in natty, but we can't backporting every single GNOME > > applications > > to make them work in a maverick ppa. > > - the new unity packaging is not made to have old and new unity > > installed at the > > same time so the old unity will not be installed anymore. > > - the new unity is not usable as a desktop yet, which means the user > > will not > > have the old unity, compiz under GNOME will be broken is several ways > > which let the GNOME session hard to use, the new unity is not ready for > > production ... users who will want to give unity a try will just land in > > a situation when they have no environment left they can use for work... > > it would be less breakage to suggest them to update to natty where we > > fix those integration issues. > > * The new unity stack will be hard to backport - the next indicators > > uploads will build-depends on gtk3 (even if we don't use it we need to > > have libraries in natty to build gtk2 and gtk3 version to allow people > > to start porting work), we use new glib api, etc. Backporting the stack > > unity will need is going to turn into lot of work and a non trivial > > task. > > > > We think users will have a better experience by trying unity on natty > > and that we will gather more useful and coherent data, since it's likely > > to be more stable than getting a working - and a less tested by our team > > - backport. > > > > > > didrocks on behalf of the ubuntu desktop and dx teams > > > > > > > -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
