On Fri, Mar 04, 2022 at 08:58:03AM +1300, Michael Hudson-Doyle wrote: > On Thu, 9 Dec 2021 at 05:42, Julian Andres Klode <julian.kl...@canonical.com> > wrote:
> > On Wed, Dec 08, 2021 at 05:29:19PM +0100, Sebastien Bacher wrote: > > > Hey again, > > > Le 08/12/2021 à 00:14, Steve Langasek a écrit : > > > > I expect that with this option set, we will find much fewer problems > > > > with entanglement of library transitions, and in turn I hope > > > > developers will be less frustrated by migration delays. > > > Right, I expect that to be the case. It's going to come at the cost > > > of reducing the pressure for the team to complete the transitions > > > since that's not going to get in the way of having their updates to > > > land. My personal feeling is that it's going to turn out to be an > > > issue for the archive and the release teams and that we aren't going > > > to find proper staffing to deal with the problems, but hopefully I'm > > > wrong there, we will see. > > I think we should > > - disable smoothing at feature freeze > So we're now a little past feature freeze and smooth_updates is still in > effect. This made the recent python/perl/the world transition a bit easier > so that was probably a good thing overall but now that's behind us, maybe > we should disable it now? FWIW I didn't respond to this at the time because I expect this to have low impact in practice. It would be exceptional for a transition to start after feature freeze, and transitions that were already in progress prior to the freeze but not completed are usually ones that we want to finish before the release - for which smooth updates are still a benefit. Weighed against the cost of another place that we have to make a config change every time we reach feature freeze, I would prefer to leave the current policy intact. Also, since this thread began, we've also limited the smooth updates to only apply to packages in the libs and oldlibs sections, which should further limit any collateral damage. Do you all think this is ok as a path forward? > > - work on getting NBS to 0 by beta freeze > So this becomes less of a whackamole. > > If it doesn't work, maybe we need to revert to not autosmoothing > > and force or add a smooth hint. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developer https://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org
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