David. If someone is not present at the start of the thread/discussion then thunderbird (nor any other client) makes no difference. The archives are the equivalent of the old filing rooms, without tagging, difficult to find all the relevant information. I could be proven wrong if someone would share with me the timeline of discussion on this subject.
Regards, *Charlie* On 27 July 2015 at 04:04, David Gonzalez <david@thehumble.ninja> wrote: > I don't mind the mailing list. With a good e-mail client you can easily > track conversations of a subject (like in Thunderbird "Open Conversation > Thread"). If you want to search for something old, like for example trying > to understand the issue here you can simply go to the available web > interface[1]. As for the logo design, if the core team is happy with it > already, imho, they should go for it. The logo can evolve or be revised > later on however the artist want it, although not ideal but all depends on > how UG core team wants to present the product. So far there are more > alarming issues, like having a better and friendlier website in UG site, > maybe upload a bulletin board system. > > I'd agree that mailing lists, which I like, aren't that friendly to the > new user. Opening forums will also help get new team members, helpers, and > "give us a better insight of the overall community". > > I personally don't see much on the design discussion. Like I said, if the > UG core team is happy with it, go for it. > > [1]: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-gnome/ > > ---- On Sun, 26 Jul 2015 22:16:52 -0400 *Charlie > Moss<char...@charliemoss.com <char...@charliemoss.com>>* wrote ---- > > Being new to an Ubuntu community, I am surprised that such a primitive > system, as a mailing list, is used for communication. How does one get up > to speed on a subject? I asked the question two weeks ago "is the logo > design open for submissions?" I received no reply. Am I to understand now > that the new logo has been created by the design team and no input from > other members of the community is unwelcome? Maybe referencing the > discussion of logo design would alleviate some of the tension here. If this > is not possible, it may be time for consider a new method of communication > similar to Slack. > > Regards, > > *Charlie* > > > > On 27 July 2015 at 01:24, Patrik Bubák <bub...@privacyrequired.com> wrote: > > The next time you're high on something don't write emails please. First, > it's far too long, second, you're missing the whole point here, so let me > be very clear on behalf of the entire design team for the last time, > > *this is not a competition and we do not accept any submissions.* > > We worked on the new identity for an extensive amount of time despite the > difficulties we had to face and the lack of time most of us had. We > proceeded as any design time would to their knowledge and resources > available. > > Allow me to illustrate a perfect example: > > take a huge company like Nike. When they hired designers to create their > visual identity do you really think they went out to ask the public? Do you > think the public was anyhow involved? Nonsense. If they would rely on the > opinions of the masses they would never get anywhere and it would be > terribly expensive for them to listen to every single idea coming from the > crowd and possibly try to incorporate it. > > The same applies to any big company, or entity, or non-profit. > > *Just as nobody is in a position to tell any coder how to code, nobody is > in a position to tell any designer how to design.* > > We take our roles very seriously and everyone should understand, that a > designer is not a mere tool to execute anyone's ugly ideas. > > > On Mon, 2015-07-27 at 01:46 +0200, Xen wrote: > > The reason people are doing this is because the logo seems very > ill-conceived, and no matter how many expensive terms you throw at it, it > doesn't become any better. Just the pure roundel logo, not counting anything > else or how well the materials are done, it is really the most mundane of > "letter" logo's I can't even recognise a "G" in it, I doubt anyone can who > doesn't already know about it. It is not anything special. It sounds rather > far fetched to assume or believe this is the best anyone could come up > with regarding the or in the context of the "legal issues". It seems rather > devoid of life, like I said. Clinical, medical technology, some business. > Nothing really to do with Gnome or Ubuntu Gnome, but that is just my > perception. So people are throwing in a last minute effort just because they > see such a devoid icon is being used. I don't really know where all the > enthusiasm comes from... just the pure icon/roundel, conceptually it is a > clone of the Ubuntu thing itself, there's nothing special there, and I fail > to see what else is special about it. And actually to come forward to Narcis > Garcia, I think his design is better, I would actually propose to change > the toes into feathers. But given that the nature of these things is to go > forward with what is currently going, and nobody feels like repeating the > steps, to go back so far and start over, which would just be a LOT of work, > I think it is prudent to recognise the efforts that have been done and at > least honour them as a way of going with this new design for the coming 4-5 > years. Sorry Garcia, I like your design, but in this case you have to go > with the flow. It requires a lot of energy to go back and do the process > all over. So no matter how much you might not like it, there comes a point > where you just have to go with it and unless you pull the cart really > really hard, it just won't budge and you will find you will lose the > motivation to actually proceed with that cart-pulling (that changing) very > quickly. So good luck and congratulations everyone, it looks like a > professional logo, the Ubuntu standards are quite well (practical in terms > of having well thought out designs and constraints), it's a business and > they have thought about it. It just requires getting used to and who knows > what it might inspire. That's the best I can make of it. No gloom, but no > glum (no glow). Maybe next time present your work earlier and receive > suggestions, the only thing (I am just a newcomer as well and have nothing > to say about the matter in terms of my "having been around" either) that > bugs me is that attitude of "we had to work under impossible constraints > and finally have managed to give birth to something that was at least > capable of having life". I'm sure it was not that bad. There was a lot of > room for inventiveness and imagination, probably no less than any other > project. You can pretend like you did the most impossible of tasks and made > a great achievement, but I think it was not that great and that it was not > all that bad either, to work under these conditions. Being said by a person > who has lived in imprisonment for ca. 8 months now. I think there is room > for a little relativation ;-). Let's get off that high horse. You did a > lousy job given the requirements and circumstances, didn't come out soon > enough to ask non-expert opinion, assumed (apparently?) that only design > experts could have a meaningful say in it, and then felt insulted when > people came in at the last minute and said "hey, but...". I think there is > a lesson to be learned, or at least something to admit. I am hungry and > there is no way to get food. My legs are broken and I am in a form of > prison cell. I can only drink orange juice. Without food no working. Without > tools no creating. Without freedom no relaxation. Without love no hope. > Without sense no power. Good luck, this is all I have to say, I hope I am not > offending someone (too much). Blame me for all you want, I just said > something. Bye. Quoting Alfredo Hernández <aldomann.desi...@gmail.com>: > > Sorry guys, but the whole point of having an Artwork and Design Team is to > > work in this stuff. The proposals have no purpose; we have a ton of things, > > both design wise and legal wise to do the logo as we are doing it. > > Please > understand, I'm not saying that feedback is not appreciated; it > totally is. > But we need constructive criticism, not "I'll totally ignore > what you have > been working for months and throw my two-minute proposal", > that's totally > unproductive to us as a community and specifically for our > team. > > > Cheers, > Alfredo > On 26 Jul 2015 3:59 pm, "Narcis Garcia" > <informat...@actiu.net> wrote: > >> All designs proposed should be in a > single page to be easily compared. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> El 26/07/15 a les > 18:47, Selwyn Orren ha escrit: >> >> Wow, >> >> I have been a professional > graphic designer for 20 years. I must admit I >> really do love this design. > I would be most proud to stand behind it!!! >> >> Job well done! >> >> >> > Selwyn Orren | +27 72 270 9321 | +27 86 218 6897 | skype: selwynorren | >> > http://www.linuxweb.co.za | sel...@linuxweb.co.za | >> > http://about.me/selwynorren >> >> On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 11:15 PM, Alfredo > Hernández < >> aldomann.desi...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Gentlemen, >>> >>> I > think this matter doesn't need any more postponing, and so I'm happy to >>> > present to you the fruits of my labour for the past few months. >>> >>> The > artwork team has agreed this be our new brand identity. I would like, >>> of > course, to hear your thoughts and comments. >>> >>> More on the project: > http://on.be.net/1J8ezFh >>> See it in action: http://on.be.net/1FERsjc >>> > >>> For a detailed overview it is highly recommended to go through the >>> > attached file (PDF, 24 pages). >>> >>> >>> Nothing ruins creativity like too > many voices weighing in. We call it the >>> Ice Cream Principle. Tell 10 > people to go get ice cream with one condition: >>> they all have to agree on > one flavour. That flavour is going to be >>> chocolate or vanilla every time. > Groups of people don't agree on what's >>> cool or interesting, they agree on > what's easy to agree on. >>> >>> PS. *This was actually written by Patrik, > but he's experiencing some >>> problems with his mail servers and his > messages end up mystically in the >>> spam folder in Gmail (and probably > other major services as well).* >>> >>> -- >>> Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list >>> > Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com >>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>> > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > -- >> Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list >> Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify > settings or unsubscribe at: >> > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome >> >> > > > > -- > Sent using Evolution <https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Evolution/> from Ubuntu > <http://ubuntu.com/desktop> > > Nothing ruins creativity like too many voices weighing in. We call it the *Ice > Cream Principle*. 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