Hi, My reply is at the end. On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Patrik Bubák <bub...@privacyrequired.com> wrote:
> The next time you're high on something don't write emails please. First, > it's far too long, second, you're missing the whole point here, so let me > be very clear on behalf of the entire design team for the last time, > > *this is not a competition and we do not accept any submissions.* > > We worked on the new identity for an extensive amount of time despite the > difficulties we had to face and the lack of time most of us had. We > proceeded as any design time would to their knowledge and resources > available. > > Allow me to illustrate a perfect example: > > take a huge company like Nike. When they hired designers to create their > visual identity do you really think they went out to ask the public? Do you > think the public was anyhow involved? Nonsense. If they would rely on the > opinions of the masses they would never get anywhere and it would be > terribly expensive for them to listen to every single idea coming from the > crowd and possibly try to incorporate it. > > The same applies to any big company, or entity, or non-profit. > > *Just as nobody is in a position to tell any coder how to code, nobody is > in a position to tell any designer how to design.* > > We take our roles very seriously and everyone should understand, that a > designer is not a mere tool to execute anyone's ugly ideas. > > > On Mon, 2015-07-27 at 01:46 +0200, Xen wrote: > > The reason people are doing this is because the logo seems very > ill-conceived, and no matter how many expensive terms you throw at it, > it doesn't become any better. > > Just the pure roundel logo, not counting anything else or how well the > materials are done, it is really the most mundane of "letter" logo's I > can't even recognise a "G" in it, I doubt anyone can who doesn't > already know about it. It is not anything special. It sounds rather > far fetched to assume or believe this is the best anyone could come up > with regarding the or in the context of the "legal issues". > > It seems rather devoid of life, like I said. Clinical, medical > technology, some business. Nothing really to do with Gnome or Ubuntu > Gnome, but that is just my perception. > > So people are throwing in a last minute effort just because they see > such a devoid icon is being used. I don't really know where all the > enthusiasm comes from... just the pure icon/roundel, conceptually it > is a clone of the Ubuntu thing itself, there's nothing special there, > and I fail to see what else is special about it. > > And actually to come forward to Narcis Garcia, I think his design is > better, I would actually propose to change the toes into feathers. But > given that the nature of these things is to go forward with what is > currently going, and nobody feels like repeating the steps, to go back > so far and start over, which would just be a LOT of work, I think it > is prudent to recognise the efforts that have been done and at least > honour them as a way of going with this new design for the coming 4-5 > years. > > Sorry Garcia, I like your design, but in this case you have to go with > the flow. It requires a lot of energy to go back and do the process > all over. So no matter how much you might not like it, there comes a > point where you just have to go with it and unless you pull the cart > really really hard, it just won't budge and you will find you will > lose the motivation to actually proceed with that cart-pulling (that > changing) very quickly. > > So good luck and congratulations everyone, it looks like a > professional logo, the Ubuntu standards are quite well (practical in > terms of having well thought out designs and constraints), it's a > business and they have thought about it. It just requires getting used > to and who knows what it might inspire. > > That's the best I can make of it. No gloom, but no glum (no glow). > > Maybe next time present your work earlier and receive suggestions, the > only thing (I am just a newcomer as well and have nothing to say about > the matter in terms of my "having been around" either) that bugs me is > that attitude of "we had to work under impossible constraints and > finally have managed to give birth to something that was at least > capable of having life". I'm sure it was not that bad. There was a lot > of room for inventiveness and imagination, probably no less than any > other project. You can pretend like you did the most impossible of > tasks and made a great achievement, but I think it was not that great > and that it was not all that bad either, to work under these conditions. > > Being said by a person who has lived in imprisonment for ca. 8 months > now. I think there is room for a little relativation ;-). Let's get > off that high horse. You did a lousy job given the requirements and > circumstances, didn't come out soon enough to ask non-expert opinion, > assumed (apparently?) that only design experts could have a meaningful > say in it, and then felt insulted when people came in at the last > minute and said "hey, but...". > > I think there is a lesson to be learned, or at least something to > admit. I am hungry and there is no way to get food. My legs are broken > and I am in a form of prison cell. I can only drink orange juice. > > Without food no working. Without tools no creating. Without freedom no > relaxation. Without love no hope. Without sense no power. > > Good luck, this is all I have to say, I hope I am not offending > someone (too much). Blame me for all you want, I just said something. > > Bye. > > > > > Quoting Alfredo Hernández <aldomann.desi...@gmail.com>: > > Sorry guys, but the whole point of having an Artwork and Design Team is to> > > work in this stuff. The proposals have no purpose; we have a ton of > > things,> both design wise and legal wise to do the logo as we are doing > > it.>> Please understand, I'm not saying that feedback is not appreciated; > > it> totally is. But we need constructive criticism, not "I'll totally > > ignore> what you have been working for months and throw my two-minute > > proposal",> that's totally unproductive to us as a community and > > specifically for our> team.>> Cheers,> Alfredo> On 26 Jul 2015 3:59 pm, > > "Narcis Garcia" <informat...@actiu.net> wrote:>>> All designs proposed > > should be in a single page to be easily compared.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> El > > 26/07/15 a les 18:47, Selwyn Orren ha escrit:>>>> Wow,>>>> I have been a > > professional graphic designer for 20 years. I must admit I>> really do love > > this design. I would be most proud to stand behind it!!!>>>> Job well > > done!>>>>>> Selwyn Orren | +27 72 270 9321 | +27 86 218 6897 | skype: > > selwynorren |>> http://www.linuxweb.co.za | sel...@linuxweb.co.za |>> > > http://about.me/selwynorren>>>> On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 11:15 PM, Alfredo > > Hernández <>> aldomann.desi...@gmail.com> wrote:>>>>> Gentlemen,>>>>>> I > > think this matter doesn't need any more postponing, and so I'm happy to>>> > > present to you the fruits of my labour for the past few months.>>>>>> The > > artwork team has agreed this be our new brand identity. I would like,>>> of > > course, to hear your thoughts and comments.>>>>>> More on the project: > > http://on.be.net/1J8ezFh>>> See it in action: > > http://on.be.net/1FERsjc>>>>>> For a detailed overview it is highly > > recommended to go through the>>> attached file (PDF, 24 pages).>>>>>>>>> > > Nothing ruins creativity like too many voices weighing in. We call it > > the>>> Ice Cream Principle. Tell 10 people to go get ice cream with one > > condition:>>> they all have to agree on one flavour. That flavour is going > > to be>>> chocolate or vanilla every time. Groups of people don't agree on > > what's>>> cool or interesting, they agree on what's easy to agree on.>>>>>> > > PS. *This was actually written by Patrik, but he's experiencing some>>> > > problems with his mail servers and his messages end up mystically in the>>> > > spam folder in Gmail (and probably other major services as well).*>>>>>> > > -->>> Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list>>> Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com>>> Modify > > settings or unsubscribe at:>>> > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -->> > > Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list>> Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com>> Modify settings > > or unsubscribe at:>> > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome>>>>> > > > > > -- > Sent using Evolution <https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Evolution/> from Ubuntu > <http://ubuntu.com/desktop> > > Nothing ruins creativity like too many voices weighing in. We call it the *Ice > Cream Principle*. Tell 10 people to go get ice cream with one condition: > they all have to agree on one flavour. That flavour is going to be > chocolate or vanilla every time. Groups of people don't agree on what's > cool or interesting, they agree on what's easy to agree on. > > -- > Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list > Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome > > @Everyone Give me one good reason why I should spend 40 minutes of my time reading these threads which 'some of these' are clearly, obviously and definitely written and sent without taking into consideration the Code of Conduct and the mailing lists guidelines? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/ContactUs#General_Mailing_List Do I have to step in each and every time to fix that?! Yes, it might be my job but how many times do I have to keep reminding people to read: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/ContactUs#General_Mailing_List Did I mention that WE ALL have to read: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/ContactUs#General_Mailing_List ? I am sure I have done that many times. Check the public archive please :) Another very very important thing. Could ALL OF YOU please check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/SubTeams There was a GOOD reason why I have created these sub-teams. Why? you might ask or wonder even after reading the above link which I'd assume you will click on it and have a read ... Because: 1. EACH AND EVERYONE here, who is working as a volunteer and NOT getting PAID, is doing a favor to the entire world. YES. We must respect that, all of us. WE ARE doing this because we love it, period. Yet, we are not getting paid. Show more respect to the time invested into this :) 2. EACH AND EVERYONE here has a specific task to do, specially core members. There was a good reason why Alfredo and his team is leading or driving the artwork team. There was a good reason why Tim is our head of developers. There was a good reason why I am the community manager. Why do I have to repeat that over and over again? :( If you have any problem with any sub-team or member, do approach ME! Now, can we ALL please stop this and move forward? can we? @Artwork Team: THE ENTIRE TEAM did a great job so well done but please, let's move forward, please! @Everyone else: Please do take the time and read: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME Go through the entire Wiki pages, please if you really really would like to understand how this community works :) And, this is an index: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/WikiMap Should you have any Q: please do ask nicely. I trust this is the last time I have to keep reminding people to bookmark this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/ContactUs And read it carefully .. and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/GettingInvolved And read it carefully .. Can we move forward?! Thank you :) -- Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us." Best Regards, Ali/amjjawad <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad> *http://kibo.computer <http://kibo.computer>* - http://torios.net - Ubuntu GNOME <http://ubuntugnome.org/>
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