On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 3:15 AM, Narcis Garcia <informat...@actiu.net> wrote: > ubuntu-gnome-desktop depends on an hybrid between Ubuntu-Gnome and > Ubuntu-Unity. > This package should depend only on vanilla-gnome-desktop, or just > vanilla-gnome-desktop be renamed to ubuntu-gnome-desktop
The problem is that we had at least 2 types of users: one type just wanted GNOME and don't mind some well-considered Ubuntu tweaks and the other type wanted vanilla GNOME. When releasing 17.10, we were forced to choose between those 2 types. We decided that the more important group was the first group and it would be better to get users on the well-supported path by default. Ubuntu GNOME never offered a 5-year LTS but users who were upgraded to ubuntu-desktop will get that for 18.04 LTS. The extra gnome-session dependency was to work around the upgrade issue where the user's existing session was not available. Perhaps a more advanced upgrade script could have handled this better. We had to use a brand new name for the metapackage since the old one had to be a transitional package depending on ubuntu-desktop. > To be as consistent as other packages/tasks (such as > ubuntu-mate-desktop), if someone installs Ubuntu-server and adds this > package, should get a clean and full Ubuntu-GNOME. > Another package as "ubuntu-gnome-core" could be useful too. Splitting the vanilla-gnome metapackages has been on our wishlist for at least 2 years. It just needs people to create them and test them. > Please, don't confuse Ubuntu-Unity 8.1 with Ubuntu-Gnome, and take into > account the main announced principle "mostly pure GNOME desktop > experience built from the Ubuntu repositories". > http://ubuntugnome.org/ My personal opinion is that we needed the mostly pure GNOME experience before 17.10 when we were a relatively smaller distro. For years, there were a lot of GNOME developers and fans who were dismissive of Ubuntu, saying that it was no way to get a good GNOME experience because too much stuff was hacked to be different.Ubuntu GNOME proved that this was wrong if someone would take the time to compare our iso with the other GNOME distributions. Incidentally, the "mostly pure" is important. Our first unofficial release tried to get a bit too close to pure GNOME by shipping the GNOME web browser, Abiword, Gnumeric, and a very early version of the GNOME Software app instead of the Ubuntu Software Center. By the way, the Ubuntu GNOME team had plans to provide a custom theme (something not Adwaita), but never quite finished it. I think if you ignore the theme (which we could have added ourselves as I pointed out), Ubuntu 17.10 is well in keeping with the kind of thing Ubuntu GNOME might have produced if we had had a few more developers. The Dock is a very popular feature that is very useful to both newcomers and experienced users, but you don't have to use it. At least, that's my personal opinion. I am quite happy with how 17.10 turned out and I mostly use a fairly stock Ubuntu 17.10 now (meaning it looks like Ubuntu 17.10 instead of Ubuntu GNOME 17.04). Thanks, Jeremy Bicha -- Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome
